Help With New Ultimate Cycle

**ManOsteel** · 10-05-2005, 06:08 PM

Hey guys, I've taken about three cycles so far and I'm starting a new one soon. I'm 24yrs old and i was weighing 215lbs and lost it now i weigh 200lbs and i'm 5'9, I'd like to go up to 220-225lbs solid. I just want your opinions on this cycle:
1 Mth:HGH 8iu/day 6 on1 off/IGF-1

2 Mth:Sustanon 250 EOD/Deca 600 a week/Dbol 50mg ED/HGH 8iu ED/IGF-1

2 Mth:Fina(Tren ) 75mg ED/Primo 400 a week/Winstrol 75mg ED/HGH 8iu/IGF-1

1 Mth:Clomid 100mg ED/HCG /Clenbuterol /HGH 8iu ED/IGF-1

I will also be taking Nolvadex 10-20mg Ed until the cycle is over. I also have a bottle of Bcomplex vitamin shots, do you guys think I should incorporate it into the cycle aswell? and how much weight do you think I can go up to with this cycle? Thanks for your help guys........

**Pinnacle** · 10-05-2005, 06:13 PM

If you want my opinion I tell you straight out IT SUCKS!!!

Also type your cycle out in a weekly format.

Wk 1-12 Test XXX mgs
WK 1-10 Deca XXX mgs

~Pinnacle~

**ManOsteel** · 10-05-2005, 06:17 PM

Can you tell me what you would change? Thanks

**Pinnacle** · 10-05-2005, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by ManOsteel

Can you tell me what you would change? Thanks

If you would type your cycle out in the format I posted above.We can help you much better.The way you have that posted is very confusing.

~Pinnacle~

**Mesomorphyl** · 10-05-2005, 06:26 PM

Hey MOS...

I would like to see it layed out so I can see actual weeks... I like the idea, I would like to know if 2mth of dbol is really that you running it for 8 weeks? I would not run winny past 6 weeks myself.

Depending on your cycle experience this could be nice. I am experimenting a bit with low dose(replacement levels) of test with higher side doses of eq and deca ... among other things.

**dragon69** · 10-05-2005, 06:37 PM

that cycle needs big time work man.

**Rickson** · 10-05-2005, 06:40 PM

It is a little difficult to read. I can't tell if you are running a 16 week cycle or an 8 week cycle. If you could change the format I am sure everyone would be glad to help critique the cycle.

**ManOsteel** · 10-05-2005, 06:58 PM

Thanks alot for your help guys, well I'll try to break down what i had in mind:
Wk1:HGH 8iu Ed 6 days on, 1 off/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
2:HGH 8iu Ed 6 days on, 1 off/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
3:Sus 500wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
4:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
5:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
6:Sus 1000wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
7:Sus 1000wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
8:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
9:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
10:Sus 500wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
11:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
12:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu/IGF-1 1cc EOD
13:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu/IGF-1 1cc EOD
14:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
15:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
16:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
17:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
18:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
19:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG /Clenbuterol
20:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG/Clenbuterol
21:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG/Clenbuterol
22:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG/Clenbuterol

I'll also be taking Nolvadex 10-20mg Ed from week 3 to week 18. What type of gains do you think i can see from this type of cycle? Thanks for your help

**Pinnacle** · 10-05-2005, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by ManOsteel

Thanks alot for your help guys, well I'll try to break down what i had in mind:
Wk1:HGH 8iu Ed 6 days on, 1 off/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
2:HGH 8iu Ed 6 days on, 1 off/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
3:Sus 500wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
4:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
5:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
6:Sus 1000wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
7:Sus 1000wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
8:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
9:Sus 750wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
10:Sus 500wk/Deca 600wk/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
11:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
12:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu/IGF-1 1cc EOD
13:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu/IGF-1 1cc EOD
14:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
15:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
16:Fina 75mg Ed/Primo 400wk/Winstrol 75mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
17:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
18:Fina 50mg Ed/Primo 200wk/Winstrol 50mg Ed/HGH 8iu Ed/ IGF-1 1cc EOD
19:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG /Clenbuterol
20:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG/Clenbuterol
21:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG/Clenbuterol
22:HGH 8iu Ed/IGF-1 1cc EOD/Clomid 100mg Ed/HCG/Clenbuterol

I'll also be taking Nolvadex 10-20mg Ed from week 3 to week 18. What type of gains do you think i can see from this type of cycle? Thanks for your help

You realize IGF needs to be cycled 30 days on/30 days off right?

1cc of IGF?That's 1000 mcgs bro...you sure about that?

Why pyramid on Test dose?

No Test after week 10?

Running fina without Test?

8 iu's of HGH at your age is rediculous.4 iu's is plenty,since you'll have IGf in the mix at a reasonable dose,I hope?

~Pinnacle~

**Rickson** · 10-05-2005, 07:06 PM

Run the sus EOD throughout weeks 2-18. Up the Primo to 400mg a week throughout weeks 11-18 and run the winny at 100mg ED weeks 13-18. Keep the fina at either 50 or 75 mg ED weeks 11-18. There is no reason to pyramid up and down. That is a large cycle and assuming you are dieting and lifting correctly then you should see very large gains.

**ManOsteel** · 10-05-2005, 07:34 PM

Guys, I really appreciate the help........should i take anything else with the fina? and what dosage would be appropiate for the IGF-1? I didnt know IGF-1 was one month on and one off, thanks guys.

**Pinnacle** · 10-05-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by ManOsteel

Guys, I really appreciate the help........should i take anything else with the fina? and what dosage would be appropiate for the IGF-1? I didnt know IGF-1 was one month on and one off, thanks guys.

I run HGH year round,and I've done more than my share of LR3 IGF-1.I really recommend you dropping the HGH to 4 iu's and run the IGF at 40-60 mcgs ED 30 on/30 off.Go read up on IGF more.Sounds as though you threw it in the cycle without knowing anything about it.

~Pinnacle~

**ManOsteel** · 10-05-2005, 07:47 PM

Yeah well i know very little about IGF-1, my supplier told me he had it so i figured why not. How did it work for you bro? and how many IU is 60mcg's?

**Pinnacle** · 10-05-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by ManOsteel

Yeah well i know very little about IGF-1, my supplier told me he had it so i figured why not. How did it work for you bro? and how many IU is 60mcg's?

I like IGF alot.It serves it's purpose for me during cycles and after as well.

Assuming your source has reconstitued IGF in 1 ml solution.On a 1/2 cc slin pin you'll go to the 6th hash mark.
On a 1cc slin pin you'd go to the 3rd hash mark.Remember IGF is shot IM PWO after a PWO shake that has plenty of carbs in it.On non training days,shoot it in the morning after breakfast.

~Pinnacle~

**ManOsteel** · 10-05-2005, 08:06 PM

Got it bro, thanx for the info.........really helped. How about the vitamin Bcomplex shot should i incorporate that in the cycle?

**Pinnacle** · 10-05-2005, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by ManOsteel

Got it bro, thanx for the info.........really helped. How about the vitamin Bcomplex shot should i incorporate that in the cycle?

You can run 500 mcgs ED of b complex(1/2 cc).And go over to the IGF forum and read around.Ask questions if need be.I hang in that forum alot as well.We can help you out further with the HGh/IGf questions you many need clarification on.

~Pinnacle~

**ManOsteel** · 10-05-2005, 08:14 PM

Again thanx alot bro, thanx for the help...........Im dying to get to 220lb. I just want to get there right, not go crazy. I know guys that just take shit without doing research, i have a friend now who just takes one shot a week of deca 600mg and sus 750, doesnt pyramid or anything and takes all in one day, its crazy.

**Pinnacle** · 10-05-2005, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by ManOsteel

Again thanx alot bro, thanx for the help...........Im dying to get to 220lb. I just want to get there right, not go crazy. I know guys that just take shit without doing research, i have a friend now who just takes one shot a week of deca 600mg and sus 750, doesnt pyramid or anything and takes all in one day, its crazy.

My pleasure bro...just go and read up on HGH and IGF in that forum.You'll be glad you did,and it will help you in making the most of your cycle.

~Pinnacle~