Alright, first cycle

**needmorestrength** · 10-16-2005, 10:38 AM

Thats right. I am doing my first cycle next month no if ands or buts. I dont want to hold to much water as I dont want to mask any joint injuries.. I am thinking about dbol , cyp and eq! any dosage suggestions

**eGGz** · 10-16-2005, 10:40 AM

1-12 Test C @ 500mg EW

**needmorestrength** · 10-16-2005, 11:12 AM

12 weeks eh? I have been told 10 and 12, whats the best to run?

**tonytone** · 10-16-2005, 11:13 AM

arimidex @ .25 mg ED for the bloat...if you insist on running eq, run it for 12 wks and test for 13 wks, but as eGGZ said, 500mg test for 12 weeks would give great gains, and maybe throw in dbol at 35mg ED for wks 1-4

**needmorestrength** · 10-16-2005, 11:19 AM

Alright, the advice is starting to take shape.. is 10 weeks to short in everyones opinion? weather I use deca or EQ I will cut it shorter then the test as this has been adviced

**Booz** · 10-16-2005, 11:31 AM

as eggz has stated abouve imo for a 1st cycle you ned no more than 500mg of some form of test run for 12 weeks.

**MatrixGuy** · 10-16-2005, 11:39 AM

I ran EQ for 12 weeks and wasn't long enough IMO. Things started to look good in week 12! Run test cyp or enanthate for the 13 weeks. I ran 500mg of test and 400mg of EQ. Wish i had run higher doses. It was my first cycle too.

**needmorestrength** · 10-16-2005, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by MatrixGuy

I ran EQ for 12 weeks and wasn't long enough IMO. Things started to look good in week 12! Run test cyp or enanthate for the 13 weeks. I ran 500mg of test and 400mg of EQ. Wish i had run higher doses. It was my first cycle too.

Yikes I dunno if I want to run anything longer then 12 weeks nor higher dosages :S

**Swifto** · 10-16-2005, 02:17 PM

All you need is a Test only cycle for a first time. Save the EQ for a future cycle. Test Enan or Cyp run for 12 weeks at 500mg/wk will suffice. You could kickstart with an oral such as, Dbol or Tbol. Personally I did Tbol 50mg/ED for weeks 1-6 and loved the gains.

**needmorestrength** · 10-16-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

All you need is a Test only cycle for a first time. Save the EQ for a future cycle. Test Enan or Cyp run for 12 weeks at 500mg/wk will suffice. You could kickstart with an oral such as, Dbol or Tbol. Personally I did Tbol 50mg/ED for weeks 1-6 and loved the gains.

Why would I want to run test only?

**Swifto** · 10-16-2005, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by needmorestrength

Why would I want to run test only?

Because more compounds doesnt mean more gains. You should gain at least 15-20lbs on test only kickstarted with Tbol or Dbol . Why do you want to run the EQ? Why not save it for a future cycle?

**Streitingen** · 10-16-2005, 03:24 PM

First of all, the EQ should be run for atleast 12 weeks. If you want a shorter first cycle, keep the EQ for a later cycle.

Week 1-10: Test cyp @300-500mg EW
Week 1-10: Deca or EQ @200-400mg EW
Week 1-4: Dbol @30mg ED

**topvega** · 10-16-2005, 03:42 PM

test c for 12 weeks alone, or with a dbol , or tbol kickstart for the first 4...

if u want a shorter cycle then u will have to use prop... but that will mean more injections per week... test only wld be a great 1st cycle bro..

BG · 10-16-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Because more compounds doesnt mean more gains. You should gain at least 15-20lbs on test only kickstarted with Tbol or Dbol. Why do you want to run the EQ? Why not save it for a future cycle?

The more compounds I run the more sides I get and dont seem to get any better gains just lazier. JMO

**needmorestrength** · 10-16-2005, 04:09 PM

Ok good points everyone.. the reason I was considering EQ or Deca is to help with tendon problems

**needmorestrength** · 10-16-2005, 06:50 PM

bump

**needmorestrength** · 10-17-2005, 04:21 AM

bump

**thisnamesux** · 10-17-2005, 05:14 AM

4,890 posts?

**needmorestrength** · 10-17-2005, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by thisnamesux

4,890 posts?

Whats your point

**Mesomorphyl** · 10-17-2005, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Because more compounds doesnt mean more gains.I disagree, but more sides

You should gain at least 15-20lbs on test only kickstarted with Tbol or Dbol .I agree

Why do you want to run the EQ? Why not save it for a future cycle?Yep, save it.

Mine are in bold.

**Mesomorphyl** · 10-17-2005, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by thisnamesux

4,890 posts?

People should look at the information provided by a member... not the post count. He was natty and is in the lounge most of the time.

**needmorestrength** · 10-17-2005, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

People should look at the information provided by a member... not the post count. He was natty and is in the lounge most of the time.

thanx man.. I was natty, I know my diets and workout/injury info.. but not roids.. Sorry for asking mr.newbie lol

**Blown_SC** · 10-17-2005, 08:39 AM

I don't see why you don't just run test by itself... leave the other shit for later, you've got decades to try out other compounds... JMO...

**needmorestrength** · 10-17-2005, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Blown_SC

I don't see why you don't just run test by itself... leave the other shit for later, you've got decades to try out other compounds... JMO...

I think im starting to agree Hulk

... Im going to run test, then some Var at the end.. I was thinking Deca or EQ just for collagen synthesis

**Blown_SC** · 10-17-2005, 08:45 AM

Var is pretty mild, but I really like it... little mass gain, but the strength increases are great... and the pumps are pretty cool too lol, not that they matter much...

**needmorestrength** · 10-17-2005, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Blown_SC

Var is pretty mild, but I really like it... little mass gain, but the strength increases are great... and the pumps are pretty cool too lol, not that they matter much...

excellent!