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    Question bulk to cut no rest

    im currently taking 400mg deca per week, 50mg d-ball per day, for 8 weeks, this is my first cycle, im 240lbs 5 foot 11 .Should i jump into winnie tabs at the end of the bulk cycle, to cut for 6 weeks as i already have them, then hcg , clomid.Or rest in between.thanks stu

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    1st u should run deca for 10 weeks & test 12 weeks but i think this is enough cycle for a 1st timer so keep winny for another time but deca & dball only no
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    ooo no test sounds like fun. hope you dont plan on having sex for a while.

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    Did someone advise you to take this cycle or did you set it up all on your own?

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    I had just done some research for 1st timers use and deca seams like a good choice for les side affects and d-ball to help out for mass. No problems so far good strength and showing results, So you dont suggest winny at end of cycle, should i just finish deca d-ball,then clomid, hcg , or order test asap

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    Wait...are you taking the dbol for 8 weeks too? You should keep it at 4 weeks max. Plus you should be taking at least 10 weeks of deca and 12 of test. Deca doesnt kick in until week 6.

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    Yes 8 weeks deca , d-ball no test

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu
    I had just done some research for 1st timers use and deca seams like a good choice for les side affects and d-ball to help out for mass. No problems so far good strength and showing results, So you dont suggest winny at end of cycle, should i just finish deca d-ball,then clomid, hcg, or order test asap
    Not trying to bust your balls here, If you could please explain this research for first timers that you did. There has been a rash of new members wanting to do Dbol /Deca only cycles lately, I'm really intrested to know where this info is coming from.

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    just get on pct because your cycle is a waste.

    run test 12 weeks
    deca 10 weeks
    DBOL 4 weeks

    pct with clomid.

    keep nolva on hand. maybe even ldex.

    etc.

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    ON eurobolic and aaabodybuilding sites

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    dbol 8 weeks..liver toxic for noobs.

    orals...= waste unless cycled correctly ...TEST is a base for nearly all cycles.

    deca dick will most likely set in..unless your very lucky.

    check your sexual levels...if u are not getting turned on now...then i would really look into fixing things and doing it the right way. its a waste to gain all that weight..dbol WATER ....then lose it all. good luck..keep us posted on your decisions.

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    What is pct

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    PCT is the most important part of your entire cycle. (drug wise) post cycle therapy .

    it is used to keep your gains as well as re-establish your natural test (hormonal) levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu
    ON eurobolic and aaabodybuilding sites
    just went to eurobolic.com and checked out their cycle packages. They suggest 6 cycles none of which are deca /dbol only.

    What is "aaabodybuilding sites" is that a web site ?

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    ever see a guy get big as hell...while on..then get skinny and lose it all after? those poeple are uneducated and waste $$$, time, and end up putting foreign substances that provide no real gain.

    without pct...99% of the people will lose the bulk of your gains.....also be ready for depression if you lose your gains.

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    no test and dbol for 8 weeks?...u research at all bro?...run some test decca atleast 10 weeks

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    Thanks for the info should i completly stop everything or what do you suggest, feel like a dumb ****,

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    should i stop asap

    was misinformed only taking d-ball and deca for 4 weeks now , any way to fix this screw up or get on clomid , do i need to inject hcg also.Thanks for your info wish i saw this site before.

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    Ok bud, I went to aaabodybuilding.com and sure enough there was a deca /dbol cycle for sale. I hope you didn't deal with them, however that is another story.

    Here's a decent beginners cycle:

    1-12 Test E @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly)
    1-14 Nolva @ 10mg ED
    1-14 A-dex @ .25mg ED
    15-18 Clomid @ 100mg ED
    15-18 Nolva @ 20mg ED


    Here's one way to do a cycle with dbol/test/deca:

    1-4 Dbol @ 30mg ED
    1-14 Test E or C @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly)
    1-12 Deca @ 400mg EW
    1-15 Vit B-6 @ 200mg ED (recommended when using deca)
    1-16 A-dex @ .5mg ED
    1-16 Nolva @ 10mg ED
    17-20 Clomid @ 100mg ED
    17-20 Nolva @ 20mg ED

    I use HCG to combat testicular shrinkage. If you don't have shrinkage then you don't need it.

    Unless you can get some testosterone ASAP I'd quit the cycle and start clomid therapy before serious problems develop.

    Hang around here for awhile and you will learn how to stay as safe as possible.

    good luck ~eGGz~

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    thanks for your time and info should i take clomid asap or in a week last shot was 4 days ago d-ball today

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    For deca you should wait 21 days after your last shot before starting PCT.

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    Hey Stu I had the same problem. I had a so called friend set me up with a deca only cycle. I was 4 weeks into it and luckily I found this website. I think this guy must have wanted to bang my old lady from what I have read about deca w/o test. At the advice of the members here I added 500mg of test e to my cycle and it is working out great. Listen to eggz he has you set up.

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