Deca & Andriol get gains?

**AZlifter** · 05-09-2002, 03:04 PM

I've been doing research on AS for quite some time now and I feel that I am ready to do my first cycle. I want to do the fist one safe with little side effects. I was wondering how good of gains can I expect to see from Deca stacked with Andriol and then end it with a few weeks of Clomid? Is this going to put some mass on me and will I retain a lot of water? Thanks for any help you guys may have for me!

**D3m3nt3d** · 05-09-2002, 10:04 PM

Andriol has a lot of mixed reviews bro..IMO i would do test injection with deca ...use something like arimidex or liquidex if you want to keep water low...also 3 weeks after last injection i would do clomid:
300mg/day one (different opinions on the 300mg frontload)
100mg/10 days
50mg 10 days

**bigkev** · 05-09-2002, 11:00 PM

andriol is pretty much worthless. it is an oral, and it isnt 17aa. that means it will be broken down by the liver. you would need to take 9-10 per day to even see minimal gains. anyway, as a general rule, injectables are safert than orals.

**Ajax** · 05-10-2002, 02:06 AM

I hear the same thing with Andriol as well: not very effective.

I can get Andriol dirt cheap where I live and it would still be a very expensive cycle if I had to take 6-10 Andriol a day. Injectables are more cost effective and they are just as (or more) safe if used properly.

Don't be needle-shy. It may be a big mental leap to accept using a needle, but the physical act is trivial once you make the decision to do it. It's not hard... Hell, after a while it gets to be down-right fun!

**AZlifter** · 05-10-2002, 12:11 PM

Thanks for the replies fella. I NEED to get bigger but I don't want to gain it very quickly and then lose it fast. Any suggestions on how to gain a lot slowly so that I can retain most of it? Thanks again for the info!