How to PCT the right way

[ACAZORES]

First of all all u guys are talking about PCT trash, you guys dont even know how to pct. First question how many guys go to the doctor after a cycle to know about pct? I bet none...
First of all you cant say to take this or that for pct, first you gotta go to a doctor to have your natural test levels checked, only than the doctor based on your natural test levels will tell how long you should PCT and the dosages you need. That crap s**t that you guys say that 50 of clomid per day or 100mg per day, take 5000iu of hcg makes no sence, cause you guys dont know how much the person needs, only a doctor based on a a lab analys can say.
You can can give advice on cycles but not on PCT.

[Aboot]

But if you are cycling properly, and based on what modern science knows about the body's natural testosterone production, you KNOW that you will be shut down once you are taking anabolics.

[ACAZORES]

Exactly, but how do u know how low is your natural test levels are without going to a doctor.
If you have too low test you will need longer and higher doses, so u cant say for yourself what dosage and what product to use pct

[Aboot]

Well, unless you have begun to recover some function, you will be completely shut down when the anabolics are in your system. Now, it is true that some recover their test levels quicker than others. I always recommend that everyone get their levels tested when off cycle to make sure they have recovered.

[ACAZORES]

Now thats talking.
A doctor once told me to pct and take ^test supplements^ before a cycle to get my natural test levels the higher that I could get, than cycle after the cycle my natural levels of test would be normal cause, the steroids would lower the test that was increased before the cycle. for example
Before a cicle my ntl would be 10
after pct before cycle would be 15
after the cycle my test would go to 10
so it never came lower the the normal n test levels
get the point

[wolfyEVH]

so you mean to tell us that you've done cycles of test, tren , and drol at 200mg/day and right after your cycle you got your test levels checked and they were normal??? bs

[ACAZORES]

yes, some people have high test levels and other low test levels.
I star shaving at 15years old, SO IT S LOGICAL THAT I HAVE HIGH TEST LEVELS

[wolfyEVH]

explain your pm to me....

"U american guys have very low natural test levels that you all need to do pct,
Iam 22 years I already did 8 cycles, includind all types of test, tren , anadrol 200mg per day, dbols etc, for 8 week cycles and never did anti-e or pct, just did clomid on my last cycle to try, didnt feel no diference, and from my last cycles I always make a hormone check in a lab and my natural test is always normal, if you want I can send u the reports, plus never had side effects.
People with low natural test levels should not take steroids . PCT is only for boys....period"

"U american guys have very low natural test levels that you all need to do pct"

"PCT is only for boys"

"Iam 22 years I already did 8 cycles, includind all types of test, tren, anadrol 200mg per day, dbols etc, for 8 week cycles and never did anti-e or pct"

are you sure you were using legit gear??? your test levels were definitely down bro....how were your gains after not doing ANY PCT....how much did you keep??? a remind all of us that these were only 8 week cycles

[Aboot]

But your body should have been completely shut down from producing test when you started taking anabolics. Your body has to continue to producing test constantly. It's not like you are taking water out of a bucket, it is a constant stream.

[ACAZORES]

In my opinion if you are a younger guy you have high test levels, if you are older you have low test levels, I am 22 years old and I know that I have high test levels I will tell you why. When I say that u American Guys have low test is, if you notice the majoraty of americans dont have much body hair in europe people have alot of body hair, that explains something. I always use normal dosages and I manage to gain only 12pounds of muscle after I have gained those 12 pounds even if I still have gear left I stop taking them cause I know that all the weight that I will gain after those 12pounds would be wasted, it is easier to keep 12 pound gains than 30pounds, plus I use diuretics when I am on my cycle so I dont hold no water

[Big_Ed]

yes, some people have high test levels and other low test levels.
I star shaving at 15years old, SO IT S LOGICAL THAT I HAVE HIGH TEST LEVELS

What does shaving have to do with high test levels? My grandpa still shaves and I bet ya he has low test levels. And you say "it's logical" that you have high test levels. Does that mean you don't know for sure? I thought you got tested right after a cycle with no PCT and were normal. Maybe your gear was and has always been bunk and that is why you never need PCT.

[ACAZORES]

If you are a kid with 15 years old and already have beard and body hair do you think u have high or low natural test levels?

[Big_Ed]

if you notice the majoraty of americans dont have much body hair in europe people have alot of body hair, that explains something.

Yeah, American's shave more

[wolfyEVH]

too bad body hair has more to do with DHT than actual test bro.....how tall are you exactly??

[ACAZORES]

6 feet 220pounds

[wolfyEVH]

i guess he is trying to tell us that robin williams has the most testosterone out of any man in the world...lol like i said, your hair growth is mainly inherited, do to the amount of DHT enzymes you have in your body, not specifically testosterone production.

[cal565]

This guy makes no sense what so ever. Your test levels have nothing to do with you having more body hair. You are trying to base a PCT hypothesis on the amount of body hair someone has, that is wack!!!

[wolfyEVH]

the only correlation between bodyhair is baldness and prostate cancer, which i hope you get.......you're lucky your ego is still smaller than your prostate

[ACAZORES]

I only gived a example, to really know your test levels you must go to a lab

[ACAZORES]

Why do people tell women not to take test cause it will grow facial hair, does it as with test or enzymes?

[Testsubject]

As crazy as you guys think this guy sound there are some point he has made that are correct. Why not listen to what this guy has to say, he's not completely out to lunch.

[ACAZORES]

Am I right or not

[Aboot]

The main issue is test production. Once you are on, your body stops producing ALL test. PCT is too jumpstart your body into getting back to it's full production. End of story.

[ACAZORES]

After u have finished ur pct how do u know that ur ntl are normal

[ACAZORES]

Maybe they are peoples bodies who start producing nat test very quickly after a cycle

[Aboot]

After u have finished ur pct how do u know that ur ntl are normal

Go get your levels checked by a doctor. You are correct in your point here.

[Aboot]

Maybe they are peoples bodies who start producing nat test very quickly after a cycle

This is true as well, but everyone will be completely shut down during their cycle and there will be a period that your body must go through to get back to producing it's regular amount. For some it's quicker than others.

[Testsubject]

The main issue is test production. Once you are on, your body stops producing ALL test. PCT is too jumpstart your body into getting back to it's full production. End of story.

My comment wasnt directed at you, your argument with this guys stands. My comment was adressed to the couple guys who said that this guy makes no sence what so ever and made it seem like he has no idea what he is talking about.

[wolfyEVH]

My comment wasnt directed at you, your argument with this guys stands. My comment was adressed to the couple guys who said that this guy makes no sence what so ever and made it seem like he has no idea what he is talking about.

his first statement he makes his only valid point......how does one know that their test levels are normal without visiting a doc.....however all of his other posts are bs.....i mean, bodyhair??? come on......

[Testsubject]

his first statement he makes his only valid point......how does one know that their test levels are normal without visiting a doc.....however all of his other posts are bs.....i mean, bodyhair??? come on......

Males with higher natural testosterone production do tend to have mroe body hair, this point is valid as well.

[Aboot]

My comment wasnt directed at you, your argument with this guys stands. My comment was adressed to the couple guys who said that this guy makes no sence what so ever and made it seem like he has no idea what he is talking about.

And my comment was directed at you. No worries.

[wolfyEVH]

Males with higher natural testosterone production do tend to have mroe body hair, this point is valid as well.

it is LOSELY correlated bro........kinda like height and penis size

[Duke of Earl]

it is LOSELY correlated bro

very loosely - you can have a very hairy person with low test, or a hairless person with high test - bodyhair is only a vague indicator for test levels (as is MPB, acne etc.)

Yes test will probably cause an increase in body hair, but it depends on your genetics to what degree your hair cells resopond to test.
Some peoples hair follicles may need massive doses of test to make them produce more hair - whereas others may only need a tiny amount.
There are amny factors governing physiological responses to test

- Amount of test produced
- tissue specific responses (varies from individual to individual)
- aromitase activity
- 5AR activity
- SHBG levels
............etc

all of which are funadamentally genetically conrolled

Body hair was used as a guide to test levels up until the 60's, when it was realised it could be extremely inaccurate - I think AcAzores needs to throw away his old text books...

[bigcut77]

First of all all u guys are talking about PCT trash, you guys dont even know how to pct. First question how many guys go to the doctor after a cycle to know about pct? I bet none...
First of all you cant say to take this or that for pct, first you gotta go to a doctor to have your natural test levels checked, only than the doctor based on your natural test levels will tell how long you should PCT and the dosages you need. That crap s**t that you guys say that 50 of clomid per day or 100mg per day, take 5000iu of hcg makes no sence, cause you guys dont know how much the person needs, only a doctor based on a a lab analys can say.
You can can give advice on cycles but not on PCT.

First off you put way too much faith in doctors!!!! Doctors are not the know all of everything unless they are specialist. How many people do you think actually go to regular docs and addmit steroid use and ask for their advice? I guarantee it is slim too none. And when they do they get uneducated advice and the doc tries to scare the **** out of them and or they refuse to treat the person. Most docs that people go to are specialize in general medicine...which means they know a little bit about everything but are not subject matter experts in ****. What do you think they reference before giving you there advice? The same medical articles that are published and displayed on this site for studies on clomid/nolva/hcg......which are generally not specific to steroid use at all or the level that people here are using. We are the guinea pigs and researchers of these products on our selves because these products for the use we use them for is deemed unacceptable by society. There are no deffinative tests or research done on people like us accept for what we have done for years that is proven to provide the best recovery results with the least sides. I would rather take the advice of intelligent people that have "been there and done that" than a doc that is making an educated guess by reading some BS research that I can do also. Do I think there are people on AR that know more than Docs about PCT....absolutely!!! I think you are way off based and a little too trusting of these shake and bake docs that know a lot about the flu and colds and very little about PCT. Peace

[CrispyHaole]

This thread is ridiculous. Why argue with an opinionated, witless, and bias individual. Let him continue to use bunk gear and not need pct. Enjoy, and hope you feel real manly about that bro. btw stop giving crap advice.

[The Baron]

yes, some people have high test levels and other low test levels.
I star shaving at 15years old, SO IT S LOGICAL THAT I HAVE HIGH TEST LEVELS

I can't bear it anymore. To the bozo bin with you! [ignore]

[BITTAPART2]

If you are a kid with 15 years old and already have beard and body hair do you think u have high or low natural test levels?

dude this has got to be one of the most idiotic threads Ive ever read, what makes you thunk that americans have low test levels?(a theory of yours at best) and I started shaving at12 and had body hair then too so to hell w. your theory sounds like you were a late bloomer IMO, as for the body hair being more prevalant WTF????? america was set up by anglos and europeans, does christopher columbus ring a bell???? body hair starts to grow during puberty but after that it is genetically going to grow where your dna tells it too, I know people on a gram of test that dont have much body hair at all so GFYS on that one too. and bro, most of us do get blood work done and most of our doctors dont know **** about AAS and PCT.

[BITTAPART2]

oh yeah, and if you are so smart that you understand the whole PCT thing better than we do, then why the hell didnt you post this in the right forum? you know the PCT forum????

[topvega]

ACAZORES, it's your body and u can continue to use gear without pct, but stop giving newbies crappy, dangerous advice.(thats how this all started by the way) imo if u r levels are normal after a cycle it's because your gear is fake or u r full of s**t. gear will shut u down. period.

[Georgie]

I'm speechless....