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    do i have any hope

    is there any hope of still be ing able to build muscle with out juice after uve done a cycle. and dont plan on juiceing again

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    Of course. Steroids are not what builds muscle. Hard work, dedication, and a good diet builds muscles. Steroids can help make you become 20-30% better. They are by no means the foundation of a body building program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgie
    Of course. Steroids are not what builds muscle. Hard work, dedication, and a good diet builds muscles. Steroids can help make you become 20-30% better. They are by no means the foundation of a body building program.
    Exactly.

    Unless you are anabolically developed above your genetic limit or an old fart, with proper diet, training etc you can always develop muscle.

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    push ur self to the limit...if u dont wanna juice then try creatine or other sups...Noxplode is by far the best legal supplement i've ever tried...give that a try

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    if you train hard, eat right and get enough rest in between workouts you can always make gains, regardless of how roided out you are above your natural limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by operationgetbig
    push ur self to the limit...if u dont wanna juice then try creatine or other sups...Noxplode is by far the best legal supplement i've ever tried...give that a try
    damn bro...who the hell is that in your avatar!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tren Bull
    if you train hard, eat right and get enough rest in between workouts you can always make gains, regardless of how roided out you are above your natural limit.
    Your statement is complete and utter B.S. If you have propelled your physique beyond its genetic limit by using AAS, no amount of training, eating, and rest will allow you to keep it once you quit cycling period. If you are beneath your genetic limit then yes whatever gains you have made can be kept until aging brings its inevitable decline.

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    i wasn't talking about keeping all your gains immediately after finishing a cycle, i meant after the initial loss and propper pct, its still possible to gain, although it takes time. and thats not bull sh_t regardless of what your opinion is. if your determined and you know what your doing it is possible

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    This is the statement that I called you out on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tren Bull
    if you train hard, eat right and get enough rest in between workouts you can always make gains, regardless of how roided out you are above your natural limit.
    Apparently you don't know what "natural limit" means.

    In bodybuilding terms, natural limit means, as big as you can possibly get naturally. In other words, as big as you can possibly get without the use of AAS.

    Letís think about this for a minute. No matter how hard you train, how perfect your diet is or how much rest you get, it is not physically possible to get any bigger. Why? Because you have reached your natural limit. That is why we use the word "limit."

    So, now we introduce AAS. With AAS it now becomes possible to build your physique beyond the aforementioned limit. 20, 40, 60lbs or more, above what is naturally possible. A new artificial limit has been imposed. The natural limit has not gone away, it has been chemically subverted.

    At this point, as soon as you quit AAS, the natural limit returns as the limiting factor.

    It isnít a question of knowledge or determination. It is human physiology.

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    well said eggs, makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetHugeDieTrying
    well said eggs, makes sense.
    Thanks GHDT, I was way too harsh in my initial remarks to Tren Bull, and I should have used a little more restraint.
    Quote Originally Posted by eGGz
    Your statement is complete and utter B.S.

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