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    looking for a lean mass cycle

    hi all

    ok let me ask u this

    most people recomend test e for a first cycle and from what i have read about it,it says that it gives water retention.


    what should i take for a first cycle that gives no water retention or atleast minimal? (price is not a problem)


    thanks

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    You can just use British Dragon Treabonol 200 (Tren enenthate 200mg/ml) with test propionate or proviron just to prevent erectil dispotance.

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    i ve read that test enanthate and equipoise is better than tes E and DECA if u don' t want water retention and fat gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demirsteel
    You can just use British Dragon Treabonol 200 (Tren enenthate 200mg/ml) with test propionate or proviron just to prevent erectil dispotance.

    do not run tren as a first cycle. this infor is 100% wrong.



    if you run test only with l-dex you will not hole to much water. then you can also end the cycle in var or winny.

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    why?

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    Why?

    first off tren should not be tun as a first cycle. 2 tren -e is a long ester the first time someone runs tren should be tren-a. so if the sides get to bad they can stop running it and it will be out if there system in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    do not run tren as a first cycle. this infor is 100% wrong.



    if you run test only with l-dex you will not hole to much water. then you can also end the cycle in var or winny.
    Did you have any experience on a new user used only tren for first time with test pro or dht derivative? Did you compare two groups? Or just hear from the forums or gyms? One of my friends who is currently holding europe title, say your words. I asked them why? Friend say because, mmmm, because. Because you have to You just say test is the first think.I can not believe this like bible. I am M.D and pro. Give me some referance, improve my knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    Why?

    first off tren should not be tun as a first cycle.
    I believe you because you are giving references, not only talking.

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    First off you only wont to run one compound for a first cycle. This is so you can see how your body reacts to it. If you run more then 2 compound and you start to get sides you will not know what one it is from. Next off you also wont to keep and eye on you bp HDL and LDL. So after a test only cycle you can get blood work done and have a good guideline. As for the long ester tren go read and learn. 2+2= 4

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    You are answering to my question. You said do not use Tren firstly. Om medical area I hear no one have any sides from proviron or test pro. why? beacuse you will not use the muscle building doses. Just read my entry. I wrote, use them just to prevent erectil.d. But as you are Jesus although you are not giving any reference based on scientific data instead of forum entries, I trust you. I was wrong.

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    thanks guys

    got a little confused though

    im reading now about the tren and man its sounds good.

    but why do some guys say its not good for a first cycle?

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    it has nothing to do with building muscle or a high dose. it has to do with having a reaction to the compounds. even if you run a dose of tren at 200mg with test prop and prov you still going to get shut down. that is a hole nother story. if you would like studys read hookers profiles.

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    Because you do not want to use it. Why? I do not know, also gsxxr not know. But he is a true believer.

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    Test is better if you pack on mass but as a starter if you want to make model body or actor body, I advice tren to hollywod stars.

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    so what do u guys recomend

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecstacy-_-
    thanks guys

    got a little confused though

    im reading now about the tren and man its sounds good.

    but why do some guys say its not good for a first cycle?

    it is to strong and has alot of sides

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    iif you run tren for a first cycle you going to have ligament and tendon problems.

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    I did not talk about shutdown. Both test and tren lower test levels and this effect mood and sexual desire bad. To improve mood and sexual desire, you have to add dht or test.

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    yes. when you run test only or a test and tren cycle pct alot diff.

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    so that means i stick with the test e but add var or winny in the end?

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    that would me your best bet for a first cycle.

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    ok thanks i guess ill do that.

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