*How Deca KILLED Test: The MYTH of TESTOSTERONE Necessity!*

[Anabolic Ross]

http://www.*****************.com/for...ead.php?t=8577

Deca -Durabolin (Nandrolone Deconate) is HIGHLY progestenic and estrogenic. Using Deca by itself during a traditional 8-12 week cycle will likely result in sexual dysfunction. Thus, many years ago, bodybuilders began ADDING low dosages of TESTOSTERONE to their Deca cycles, as testosterone DRASTICALLY increases LIBIDO(However, you will still be SHUTDOWN). So the idea of adding testosterone to other anabolic compound stacks BEGAN with the occurence of "Deca Dick".

Deca Dick SCARED bodybuilders, and they figured, if Nandrolone can cause such sexual dysfunction, other anabolics could do so as well......

THIS IS FALSE. This is where the MYTH began. It perpetuated.

TEST does NOT need to be stacked with other mild anabolics like Primo, EQ, turinabol , winstrol , var, ect, as these drugs DO NOT CAUSE PITUITARY/TESTICULAR SHUTDOWN. *IF* LIBIDO loss does actually manifest itself(which is RARE with the protocols I reccomend), simply ADD PROVIRON .

http://www.*****************.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8577p=80003#post80003[/url]

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[eGGz]

Gaaaaahhhhh!!!

[Smak]

hahahahahahahahahaha

[Smak]

What do you think of Durabolin Ross? Deca Propionate ....

[fLgAtOr]

YESSS!!!! Another one! So ARE we IGNORING this ONE or NOT?

[cb25]

i have never met anyone else who was a bigger waste of time and space.

get a life ross, i have NO idea why you insist upon signing up under a new name and coming back to this site. if i had been banned...i would move on to another site -- find someplace that DOES accept my rants.

let it go brotha.

[Smak]

is it a bird? is it a plane? No wait, it's


STEROID MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!!!!

[fLgAtOr]

IS IT A BIRD? Is it a plane? NO WAIT IT'S STEROID MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Caps are all wrong bro.... Gotta caps the useless words.

[Smak]

i have never met anyone else who was a bigger waste of time and space.

get a life ross, i have NO idea why you insist upon signing up under a new name and coming back to this site. if i had been banned...i would move on to another site -- find someplace that DOES accept my rants.

let it go brotha.

He keeps coming back to this site because he knows it's the best and he loves us all.

[stayinstacked]

The guy has a good point. Just dont understand why he keeps getting banned

[cb25]

The guy has a good point. Just dont understand why he keeps getting banned

honestly, i don't think he has a good point.

HOWEVER, he wasn't banned for his point of view. and i'm not sure why he was originally banned (though i've heard rumors). the reason he keeps getting banned, is because once you've been banned, you're not supposed to come back under a different name. if you've been banned, it's for a reason. once you're banned, you're supposed to be gone. Ross, meanwhile, decides to come back and quite openly talk about how it's him again.

he needs to be banned, because he CONTINUALLY breaks board rules. simple. nothing against his point of view (however wrong it is)

[Smak]

hehe when I wake up in the morning this thread will have grown to 3 pages already!

[Anabolic Ross]

I only RETURN because of EMAILS from supportive A-R members who are afraid to voice their opinions PUBLICLY for fear of a typical FLAME circus that occurs here at A-R.

I am only here to HELP. I wish I had that years ago....




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[cb25]

I only RETURN because of EMAILS from supportive A-R members who are afraid to voice their opinions PUBLICLY for fear of a typical FLAME circus that occurs here at A-R.

I am only here to HELP. I wish I had that years ago....




[R]

the thing is, if you had actual research (not just your so-called experience and your so-called clients) to back up your points, they may be given some merit.

however, you don't...and you come back in a very in-your-face-manner with your points...hence the public flame circus of your points.

believe it or not, many of us are here for the benefit of other members...personally, i'm just trying to dole out some rational advice to protect others from making the mistakes that others have made. in other words, i'm trying to protect them from people like you

[305GUY]

I consider it somewhat enetertaining.

[Smak]

I consider it somewhat enetertaining.

Ditto.

[eGGz]

Gaaaaahhhhh!!!

[Anabolic Ross]

ANY responses to the ACTUAL thread?




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[305GUY]

ANY responses to the ACTUAL thread?




[R]

Sure, how bout posting some sources to your claim.

[*Narkissos*]

Yea...nice avator

[stayinstacked]

**** that, the guy has a good point, test is not needed every cycle. I'm tired of all this trendy bullshit that goes on sometimes. For one, most guys are dropping their test out from a show anywhere from 2-6 wks out while continuing to run other anabolics such as var,primo, winny, EQ. Second off, for all those who think test needs to be run higher than ****ing everything, it doesnt. Nothing wrong at all w/ a couple hundred more mg of EQ than test, or winny, or primo, or anavar , etc etc. Everything I've read from this guy sounds like he has experience and knows exactly whats likely to have negative sides and what isnt. It sounds like he's practiced what he's preached. I dont know why the guy originally got banned, but I'm willing to bet he's the real deal and not one of these dumbasses who talks the lingo then posts a pic of a physique that could have easily been achieved naturally, or talks the talk and has never even touched steroids in his life. If you want my honest opinion, this board needs more guys like him!! The trendy bullshit here is the circus act, not him.

[cb25]

ANY responses to the ACTUAL thread?




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Ross, let me give you a nickel's worth of free advice.

If, indeed, you are trying to help people, you need to change up your approach. Don't come back with a very in-your-face attitude about this, and so blatantly declare that it's you again.

Come back completely anonymous, with actual evidence and research to back it up (and come with links, etc to prove it's not just you talking). You won't be able to have a civil discussion with the majority of the members here until you do that.

Until you do that, no one is going to take you seriously, because everyone knows it's you, and everyone knows your M.O.

[*Narkissos*]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 11 (10 members and 1 guests) Narkissos, Joey2ness, 305GUY, cb25, JUICING, jaydub, fLgAtOr, Liftnainez, ryan9101, stayinstacked

Any bets on how many pages this thread reaches?

[Joey2ness]

The guy has a good point. Just dont understand why he keeps getting banned

on the right side of the reputation symbol their is a report bad post icon.you click it and send the report to the mods and do that atleast 100 times.The mods will get annoyed
if you have 1000 post in your name they most likely ban him or you

[cb25]

stayinstacked -- he has arguments that *sound* good. but there's no real evidence to back them up.

the reasons that we recommend test in every cycle have everything to do with long-term health as long as health on cycle. we're trying to maximize the things we want in life -- health, strong libido, etc.

and while i'm thinking of it...MODS, i think it may be time for an IP ban for this guy. i know BDTR was the king of all that, and even though he's gone, i'm sure some of you can take care of that.

[cb25]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 11 (10 members and 1 guests) Narkissos, Joey2ness, 305GUY, cb25, JUICING, jaydub, fLgAtOr, Liftnainez, ryan9101, stayinstacked

Any bets on how many pages this thread reaches?

Not as many as one might think, if the mods are doing their jobs and ban this guy by the morning.

[Anabolic Ross]

It is plain and simple--EVERYTHING I RECCOMEND I have DONE MYSELF!

Some have seen my pics from last YEAR, when I was around 200lbs, 6% BF, 5''10(They are on the board) I am now much bigger. I will be posting new pics shortly.


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[*Narkissos*]

**** that, the guy has a good point, test is not needed every cycle. I'm tired of all this trendy bullshit that goes on sometimes. For one, most guys are dropping their test out from a show anywhere from 2-6 wks out while continuing to run other anabolics such as var,primo, winny, EQ. Second off, for all those who think test needs to be run higher than ****ing everything, it doesnt. Nothing wrong at all w/ a couple hundred more mg of EQ than test, or winny, or primo, or anavar , etc etc. Everything I've read from this guy sounds like he has experience and knows exactly whats likely to have negative sides and what isnt. It sounds like he's practiced what he's preached. I dont know why the guy originally got banned, but I'm willing to bet he's the real deal and not one of these dumbasses who talks the lingo then posts a pic of a physique that could have easily been achieved naturally, or talks the talk and has never even touched steroids in his life. If you want my honest opinion, this board needs more guys like him!! The trendy bullshit here is the circus act, not him.

o really?

[305GUY]

Not as many as one might think, if the mods are doing their jobs and ban this guy by the morning.

Are you applying for a moderator position?

[Liftnainez]

was he banned for his views or the way he expresses himself? It seems to me everybody hates him b/c hes "cocky" - WHO CARES!?!? I think hes rather funny than arrogant.. he does provide some good points.. i dont know why people take things so personally.. if you dont like him, dont speak to him.. not trying to start shit - just trying to rectify a situation..

[Anabolic Ross]

**I always reference STUDIES where appropriate**

Everything I advocate is supported by EVIDENCE--scientific AND anecdotal.



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[cb25]

Are you applying for a moderator position?

lmao...no, i'm not on AR nearly enough to warrant any special attention. and for the most part i think they do a pretty solid job around here -- i didn't mean any disrespect by my comment.

i'm just saying he should be taken care of

[cb25]

was he banned for his views or the way he expresses himself? It seems to me everybody hates him b/c hes "cocky" - WHO CARES!?!? I think hes rather funny than arrogant.. he does provide some good points.. i dont know why people take things so personally.. if you dont like him, dont speak to him.. not trying to start shit - just trying to rectify a situation..

honestly lift...i don't take anything he says personally. and if he were to approach his argument in a more rational, professional way, i might give it some merit.

but i have a problem with a person who broke board rules enough to get banned (he says he was banned b/c of his point of view...there was more to it than that) -- but then continues to break rules by signing up under different names. seems to me he's looking for attention.

like i said, there are more tactful ways to get a point across. he chooses to be very antagonistic about it, and call all this negative attention to himself. he wishes to make himself a martyr for the anti-testostorone cause. and we're playing right into that.

[Anabolic Ross]

In order to make a point, you must make alot of noise.....





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[Anabolic Ross]

BACK to the TOPIC....


DECA began this MYTH. EQ, Primo, Turinabol ....these mild anabolics WILL NOT AFFECT YOUR LIBIDO.

Just in case--add PROVIRON .



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[stayinstacked]

stayinstacked -- he has arguments that *sound* good. but there's no real evidence to back them up.

the reasons that we recommend test in every cycle have everything to do with long-term health as long as health on cycle. we're trying to maximize the things we want in life -- health, strong libido, etc.

and while i'm thinking of it...MODS, i think it may be time for an IP ban for this guy. i know BDTR was the king of all that, and even though he's gone, i'm sure some of you can take care of that.

Ok, let me hit you with this then. An abundance of almost all steroids ARE a derivative of test. Wheres the evidence that shows that actual test IS NEEDED every cycle? I mean, I'm not trying to strike up an argument here, but almost every person on this board thinks that test is an absolute must have to every cycle and he's right, its not. Do you know how many books and steroids bibles have been produced that had numerous cycle examples without test? Regardless of wether its test in your cycle or whatever it is, if your shut down your shut down, and if your dick dont work then it doesnt work. Long term health and libido have nothing to do with what he's explained. Almost any bodybuilder dosage of anabolics will shut you down over time. I just dont see why everybody is jumping his shit. All this scientific crap can often make message boards boring. This is the science right here bro, we are the experiments. I'm sorry that most dont agree on this issue, and I dont know why the guy was originally banned, but all I'm saying is try to respect others opinions and dont flame just for the hell of it. And personally, I dont see anything "in your face" or disrespectful at all about his post here.

[Anabolic Ross]

Ok, let me hit you with this then. An abundance of almost all steroids ARE a derivative of test. Wheres the evidence that shows that actual test IS NEEDED every cycle? I mean, I'm not trying to strike up an argument here, but almost every person on this board thinks that test is an absolute must have to every cycle and he's right, its not. Do you know how many books and steroids bibles have been produced that had numerous cycle examples without test? Regardless of wether its test in your cycle or whatever it is, if your shut down your shut down, and if your dick dont work then it doesnt work. Long term health and libido have nothing to do with what he's explained. Almost any bodybuilder dosage of anabolics will shut you down over time. I just dont see why everybody is jumping his shit. All this scientific crap can often make message boards boring. This is the science right here bro, we are the experiments. I'm sorry that most dont agree on this issue, and I dont know why the guy was originally banned, but all I'm saying is try to respect others opinions and dont flame just for the hell of it. And personally, I dont see anything "in your face" or disrespectful at all about his post here.

BRILLIANT POST!


Tremendous insight!



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[cb25]

In order to make a point, you must make alot of noise.....





[R]

i can see your point...but not in the way you're doing it ross.

seriously, come back anonymously. you have to remember that most people aren't going to even give your argument a second thought if they know that it is you.

come back more tactfully if you truly believe in your cause. after you've turned some heads and made some people re-consider their thought should you come out and say "oh btw, i'm ross, and i was right all along" -- the way you're doing it right now is ineffective and annoying at best.

i have a hard time believing you're doing this solely for the benefit of others and the advancement of anabolic science, based on your approach. you would speak volumes about your character and argument if you took some of my advice.

[james21]

I agree with that completely

[Anabolic Ross]

i can see your point...but not in the way you're doing it ross.

seriously, come back anonymously. you have to remember that most people aren't going to even give your argument a second thought if they know that it is you.

come back more tactfully if you truly believe in your cause. after you've turned some heads and made some people re-consider their thought should you come out and say "oh btw, i'm ross, and i was right all along" -- the way you're doing it right now is ineffective and annoying at best.

i have a hard time believing you're doing this solely for the benefit of others and the advancement of anabolic science, based on your approach. you would speak volumes about your character and argument if you took some of my advice.

Well said.




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