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    First cycle..Take a look

    i intend on starting this cycle tomorrow...it'll be like this
    it's 10 weeks
    Sustanon 250 mg once a week for weeks 1,2,8.
    Sustanon 500 mg once a week for weeks 3,4,5,6,7
    Winstrol 50 mg injection every day for weeks 3,4,5,6
    nolvadex 20 mg every day from week 1 till 7
    Clomid every day for weeks 8,9,10

    what do you think?

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    why not just run 500mg every week, broken up into two shots a week. EOD would be even better for blood levels with sust since it has prop in it.

    also might want to drop the winny for your first cycle and save it til later on.

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    keep the dose the same for weeks 1-10...also dont run the clomid 8,9, and 10...run it 12-15...

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    Bumpin luca on this one-No taper and use correct PCT start times.

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    1-10 or 12 500mg/wk sust. Shot at least twice a week, every other day would be better, but you can get by twice a week

    Start PCT 21 days after last shot of sust

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    your use of clomid is incorrect. you shouldn't stop running the nolva dex until your done with pct. read up on pct times, it will make a big diff.

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    research my friend sust is not 4 you.

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    Go with a longer ester test if you dont want EOD injections, which is recomended on sus.

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    thank u all for helping me out

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    I would of gone with a test e or cyp for a first cycle, it might be more tolerable to use. But you already have the stuff ! Shoot the sus at 500 mg a week EOD.

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    i think that in the first two weeks i should go easy on susta and keep it at 250 mg a week..it's my first time using injectable steroids and also using two compounds together, so i better be careful...thank u all for helping

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    actually side effects can be worse if you adjust your dosage. Side effects are reduced by keeping dosages constant. 500mg/wk all the way through your cycle

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    really? i didn't know that. Thanks longhorn

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    dude you need to shoot 125mg eod for 12 weeks, start pct 18 days after last injection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozaldo
    dude you need to shoot 125mg eod for 12 weeks, start pct 18 days after last injection
    id agree with the above, 125mg EOD for 12 weeks is the way to go for sus, if you were going to put winstrol in there id start win on week 9-15 and start pct 18-21 days after last shot of sus

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300
    id agree with the above, 125mg EOD for 12 weeks is the way to go for sus, if you were going to put winstrol in there id start win on week 9-15 and start pct 18-21 days after last shot of sus
    Quite right but as its his first cycle I would only recommend one compound.

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    why not go on with 250 mg twice a week and start winny on week 4? by week 7-8 i'll be out of sustas. then start pct 3 weeks after last sustanon injection.
    How's that? i don't have any past experience with injectables..what should i expect..some dramatic gains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhorn814
    actually side effects can be worse if you adjust your dosage. Side effects are reduced by keeping dosages constant. 500mg/wk all the way through your cycle
    This is true. If you start jacking around hormone levels you are in trouble. Constant blood levels and you will get hardly any side effects, not even much acne.

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    so it's better to keep the dose stable, that's what u suggest?
    what about 250 twice a week? is it enough to see quality results.
    i also included winny on the cycle so that muscles get a <<hard>> look, yesterday i got three boxes of clen 30 tablets each and i intend to use it at the end of the cycle..will that be after pct? It will propably help be not to have any great loss during catabolic state?

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    125mg EOD is better for stable blood levels because of the prop in the sus, and you want to run it for 12 weeks min,,sus remains active in the body for around 18-21 days that why you would need to start pct 18-21 days after last shot

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    i wouldnt even bother trying to cycle until i got more sust. when i shot sust twice a week it took almost 5 weeks to feel the effects. so if your just starting to see results at week 5 and you run out at week 7, thats sorta a waste imo.

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    your cycle was susta only?
    what kind of results did u get? big difference?

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    if its just your first cycle, id do 500mls a week, one shot a week, why eod for sustanon i think thats not necessary, its a very long lasting injectable with 4 diffrent test ester, i usually do 500-1000mls, every 5 days, save the winny for end of cycle, howmuch sust do you have, 20ccs. should be enough for a cycle, eods, without injection experience and youre gonna be sore as hell

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    you don't have to inject the winny. it work the same if you drink it. i'd get more test if i were you. 10-12 wk range sounds good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-dogg37
    if its just your first cycle, id do 500mls a week, one shot a week, why eod for sustanon i think thats not necessary, its a very long lasting injectable with 4 diffrent test ester, i usually do 500-1000mls, every 5 days, save the winny for end of cycle, howmuch sust do you have, 20ccs. should be enough for a cycle, eods, without injection experience and youre gonna be sore as hell
    people shoot ed or eod to take advantage of the prop which is short acting. it also helps keep blood levels more stable.

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    yeah that's what i've heard...well thanks for all the help guys..i also got 3 boxes of clenbuterol and i intend to use it. When should i do that?
    after pct?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamias20918756
    your cycle was susta only?
    what kind of results did u get? big difference?
    yes it was sust only and the results where good. whatever you do dont start until you got enough sust to do atleast 10 weeks at 500mgs a week. otherwise you might be disapointed.

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    Sust must be shoot EOD! But you will have good result at 250mg*2 a week!!!

    Good luck

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    hey godkilla. i got three boxes of clen 30 tablets each and i will use it at the end of the cycle.will that be after pct? It will propably help me on not having any great loss during catabolic state after discontinue of roids?

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    If this is your first cycle, you are using too many compounds. You simply don't need them. And you need to do alot more research before jumping into AAS. You can and will damage your body if you don't educate yourself prior to starting the cycle. Looking at your first post, you know nothing about the drugs you are about to take. Not trying to flame you but you need to know the risks you take when doing something you kow nothing about. And about the gains being dramatic, only if your diet is in check. Just my .02.

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    i follow Harris benedict formula for 2 months now refering to diet.
    As for my knowledge on roids is only theoritical and keeps expanding every day.
    It's normal not to be as experienced as any other guy who's been on a <<complete>> cycle before..including pct.
    I realized how importand pct is only a few weeks ago.
    Due to my litle knowledge regarding to steroids , i ask people who are more experinced, from this site and from others, related to me... if u have an answer about my clenbuterol question please share..

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