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    rose0295 is offline New Member
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    Injection question

    I'm speaking on behalf of my husband.
    He recently was perscribed enanthate for medical purposes. He did his first injection but I had a question...

    How do you know if you've entered into the muscle?
    He said he didn't feel anything the whole time the needle was inserted until less than 1/4 inch of the needle was visible. He said he couldn't push it in any further than that (he hit something hard?) and when he tried to, it felt like it wouldn't enter any further and he had a wierd sensation in his leg.

    (21 gauge,1 1/2 needle)

    Any advice?

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    What muscle ?

    That is a damn big needle. I use a 25 gauge 1" needle.

    Check out this website: http://www.**************.com/index3.htm

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    8 the thigh.

    His doctor perscribed that size.

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    Rose, I am assuming by the size of your needles (1 1/2x21ga) that you are injecting in the hip area and not the thigh as that would be a little painful.I would suggest 23 or 25gauge for the thigh if that's the case. Again, I assume that you were as well inj. 1ml or 1cc. Correct? The best rule of thumb when injecting in the glutes (hip area), is to take your thumb and place it on the belt line at your hip, approximately three inches from where the belt loop of your jeans would be located directly on your side. So just locate that area slide your thumb around about three inches, and with your thumb still there, extend the middle finger down approximately three inches as well. You are now in the soft tissue area of the glute and the syringe should go in with no problem, although it may be a little uncomfortable because of the gauge of the needle (23 ga. much more pleasant!).

    Now while you have the juice in the syringe , tap on the side of the barrell to allow for the air bubbles to in on the syringe until a little oil drips down the needle, this is ok, (this will cause the remaining air to be expelled) do not will provide some lubrication for thr inj.

    Now, about the sensation in his leg, he more than likely grazed a big deal and if the needle is 1 1/2 in long, then 1/4" is what you want to leave exposed just in case needle were to break off. That would provide you a way to extract the broken needle....again if you are careful and clean then this is rare.

    Make sure that your hands are clean....area to be injected is clean, and another thing--- the needle you use to withdraw the test from the vial, please do not use it to inject your husband it is now contaminated. Always replace with a sterile needle each time you inject....never...never...never use the same needle more than once.

    Another resource available for you if all I did was to confuse you...try

    Hope this helps.

    Last edited by ranran; 11-01-2005 at 07:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rose0295 the thigh.

    His doctor perscribed that size.
    Well, that is a damn big needle IMO. Like I stated I use a 25g 1" for thighs. The injection is kind of slow (30-60 seconds per cc) When injecting quads, one way to find a good location is to stand with your arms at your side. Where your index finger hits the side of the leg is the spot.

    When injecting quads I pierce the skin quickly (first 1/8th inch or so) and then gently glide the needle in after that. If you get near a nerve you will feel it and you can pull back a bit, slightly change the angle of the injection and continue with penetration.

    Inject slowly, massage the area after injection to help with any soreness that may occur.

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    I also use a 21 by 1 1/2 and it is not to bad to me im sure smaller would be a little better but i also leave 1/4 to 1/2" out.. make sure to aspirate as some of the veins in the leg are large... good luck to him

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    By Dr. David T. Ryan
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    We decided to print this article for the safety of all athletes that choose to use anabolics. We do not condone the use of AAS, especially with young athletes and teenagers. But we do realize that there are people that do use them and wish to give them some information on how to inject properly. If you have any moral or any other objections of the use of AAS, the please do not read the article. This is your choice as is the choice of those that use AAS. We have also decided to print this article as Dr. Ryan has had numerous obstacles in getting this published. We felt that this subject needed to be addressed.]

    This whole article started with a shocking conversation I was having with a twenty year friend of mine and lifter. He was explaining about the procedure he would use to inject himself. The process of using an old/used needle to remove the solution from the bottle then applying a new ?fresh? needle to his syringe was rather shocking to me. He smiled and indicated that boastfully that he had done this for over twenty years. All I could think about were the large fibrotic lesions in his glutes that prevented him from further injection in those sites.

    All too commonly the issues that are important are often never discussed by professionals until it is too late. This problem with that type of injection protocol is that you are taking a needle out of your dirty body (do you eat off of your ass?) and apply that needle, for the sake of keeping a sharp point, into a solution, just happy to grow the bacteria that is lodged in the needle and on it?s surface. Consider this, would you stick that needle into a bucket of paint then later shove that needle into your fresh bottle of EQ 200? Please consider that over the years of working medical research; I have seen bacteria grow in acid so strong you would have to open the chemical under a hood or burn your eyes and nose off ? it just takes time! NEVER STICK A NEEDLE FROM YOUR BODY BACK INTO ANYTHING THAT IS STERILE.


    1. Wash your hands and anyone else involved should wash their hands. 2. Use only clean needles to remove and inject any solution. 3. Prepare the area with a prep solution (i.e. rubbing alcohol or other sterilizer) 4. LEARN TO Z TRACK (listed below) 5. Never inject more than 5 cc?s / ml. into any one injection site. 6. Keep all items clean and dry after the injection. 7. Store all items properly.
    Washing your hands may seem simple, but it is a very effective way to prevent the spread of germs and viruses.

    Using a contaminated needle to remove solution from a bottle is playing Russian roulette with your health. Only use clean needles to puncture your skin or that of bottle. A single injection doesn?t dull the needle tip to any degree worth complaining about. It only helps in your head, maybe! Various prep solutions are necessary to clean the injection site; this prevents the normal bacteria that are present on the surface of the skin from being pushed into the body.

    Z Tracking

    This is a simple process of pulling the skin to one side to allow for a hole to be made in the skin and then displacing that same hole after the injection has been made. This displacement stops the leakage of the injected solution to the skin surface.

    Wash your hands and make sure that everyone else does too.
    Prepare the area with alcohol.
    Prepare the injection needle and solution
    Firmly displace the skin to one side.
    Inject the needle and aspirate to make sure you have no blood and then inject contents appropriately.
    Release the skin pressure.
    Remove the needle from the injection point.
    Clean and dispose of all materials appropriately.
    Taken from the nurses hand book (referenced below), notice how the displaced skin will stop the backflow of the injected solution.

    For those of you who would like a diagram: Click Here

    Follow these easy steps to providing a safer more effective injection. Common sense goes a long way in medicine and yes, this is still a form of medicine.

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    great post by grimnlock...that's a solid article you found man.

    and 21g isn't a terrible thing, however, I (and most sane persons) prefer a smaller gauge - 23 or 25gauge, as it's a bit more comfortable.

    and the website is a pretty solid place for info -- not perfect, but pretty good. also, that PDF that was posted at the end of grim's post is solid. i'd trust the nurse's manual (and your doc's instructions) before i'd trust much else.

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