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11-03-2005, 10:08 AM #1Junior Member
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first cycle
From all I've read on the board here it sounds like the one consensus opinion is to take test. The one thing I don't want to do is lose my hair. Will taking proscar or dutasteride along with the test stop this from happening? Will test prop eod 100mg or 150mg cause this to happend? This is my first cycle, should I add var to this or run it on its own?
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11-03-2005, 10:14 AM #2Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 10:26 AM #3
good advice shortie. do what he said
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11-03-2005, 10:32 AM #4Junior Member
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That's the thing, grampa on my mom's side went bald, which is I think who it most commonly is linked to genetically. Only reason I was leaning towards prop was less water retention, don't want to blow up with the e or cyp.
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11-03-2005, 10:35 AM #5
take l-dex to help with bloat. nolva during cycle will help a little with bloat too. you def don't want prop for you 1st cycle.
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11-03-2005, 10:44 AM #6Junior Member
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Excuse my ignorance but is there another name for l-dex?
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11-03-2005, 10:47 AM #7
Arimidex , the liquid form is called l-dex or liquidex. The active compound is Anastrozole.
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11-03-2005, 10:49 AM #8
LiquiDex , arimedex (sp) are a few. Those are "brand names" for Anastrozole
Confusing ain't it?
AR sells the Liquidex.
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11-03-2005, 11:00 AM #9Junior Member
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Whoa, a lot of sides listed in what I've read, any experiences with those?
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11-03-2005, 11:02 AM #10
Personally, never had any sides from l-dex, with the exception of one chem labs carrier that gave me mild heartburn.
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11-03-2005, 11:03 AM #11
i dont see why he cant take prop. If he is up to ED injections, prop is by far better then e or cyp, for his goals anyway.
alo
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11-03-2005, 11:06 AM #12Junior Member
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So the i-dex would do a better job with the bloat than nolvadex or clomid. Wouldn't this be more of a mass builder though than a cutter?
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11-03-2005, 11:08 AM #13Junior Member
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Not sure about ED, could do EOD though.
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11-03-2005, 11:11 AM #14Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:17 AM #15Junior Member
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I was considering winny too which would have consisted of eod injects. I am just going back and forth because I think test prop is what I am most interested in yet I have the genetic hair loss factor to think about.
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11-03-2005, 11:19 AM #16Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:20 AM #17
but dont run winny if your worried about hairloss, cuz most lose hair while on it, but people that are predisposed to mpb will most likely not have it come back.
alo
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11-03-2005, 11:21 AM #18
IMO, I would avoid prop for a first cycle. Many users experience some serious pain, and if you have never stuck yourself before this can make the whole experience miserable. I would ask you experienced guys out there do you remember your first inject, and would you have continued if you knew you had to do it tomorrow and it was going to hurt like hell? I just wan to see PV achieve his goals and set a realistic cycle with as limited complications as possible. And in my exp I have never had bloat with E or cyp so long as I took a lttle l-dex.
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11-03-2005, 11:26 AM #19Originally Posted by shortie
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11-03-2005, 11:29 AM #20Junior Member
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OK, makes sense, but wouldn't the e or cyp be more of a mass builder than a cutter? Good advice on the dutasteride, it's something that if it starts to go though as you said, it won't come back, no chance to experiment.
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11-03-2005, 11:30 AM #21
True, he could swap in something else, and IMO prop is a superior product, but since most of us are needlephobic I like to recommend becoming friends with the pin before setting a nightly date. And then again there is the pain, some tolerate it well, others can't workout on it, it is really up to you PV, in my experience you are going to do what you want anyhow. Good luck.
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11-03-2005, 11:30 AM #22Junior Member
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Is it the actual compound that makes it painful or is it the recommended ED and EOD injects?
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11-03-2005, 11:32 AM #23Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:33 AM #24Junior Member
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Just trying to gain as much info as possible, still weighing my options. I separated my shoulder about 5 weeks ago, and just started lifting heavy again. Not completely 100% yet.
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11-03-2005, 11:34 AM #25Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:34 AM #26Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:36 AM #27Originally Posted by shortie
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11-03-2005, 11:39 AM #28
Cycling- eat more food than you can stand, spend hundreds of dollars on gear/ancillaries/supps, workout for hours on end, experience pain and mood swings like a biatch, all in search of a few lbs of lean muscle. And we're the "cheaters"-
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11-03-2005, 11:41 AM #29Originally Posted by shortie
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11-03-2005, 11:48 AM #30Junior Member
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Well, honestly it's mainly for aesthetic reasons that I'm doing this as I think most of you are as well. So is it worth getting more chiseled and losing my hair in the process? I would say no for me. In the write up about prop it says the hair loss occurs less frequently than e or cyp. It also says if there is a predipsosition and high dosages are taken, then it could happen.
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11-03-2005, 11:49 AM #31Junior Member
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I am right in the conclusion that var is the only compound without hair loss as a risk?
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11-03-2005, 11:52 AM #32Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:53 AM #33Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:55 AM #34Originally Posted by pv66
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11-03-2005, 11:59 AM #35Junior Member
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Otherwise, androgenic -caused side effects such as acne, deep voice, clitorial hypertrophy or increased growth of body hair can occur. This is what I saw on var.
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11-03-2005, 12:08 PM #36
You don't have to worry about the "clitoral hypertrohy" do you ? J/K
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11-03-2005, 12:12 PM #37Junior Member
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Right there
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