first cycle

[john47]

i ordered 23g 1.5 x 100 needles and syringes from a site recommended by people here and they got here today . and i was looking at the needle and thinking damn ... i run away from bees all day at work , and im gonna stick that in my self
im planning on starting my first cycle in a few months so i wanted to get all of the stuff i need and really push it naturally first then :

wk 1-2 20mg d-bol/every day , sus250/every 5 days , deca200/every 5 days

wk 3-8 sus 250/every 5 days , deca 200/every 5 days

3 weeks after last sus injection , clomid 100 mg first day then 50 mg/day and 2,500mg hcg then 2 more hcg injections a week apart .
also considering winstrol for 2 weeks starting the day of last sustanon injection maybe tabs 10/day or 1 inject each 2 days .

im looking to gain speed and explosiveness as well as size so is this going to be a good cycle ?

[john47]

it has now been 4 years to the day since my last drink of alcohol 10-13 . i used to smoke and do drugs too . one of the most frustrating things about quitting all that stuff is that i thought id be such a better athlete . but since then ive gotten slower and barely stronger at all , even though i gained 30 lbs . i weigh 210 now and bench 225 9x i can do about 12 pull ups . and i went about a year without skipping so much as 1 workout and i still cant see my abs at all or any hint of a vein anywhere . and the worst part is that i was absolutely determined to build my calves but i showed no improvement at all even when i spent 40 min. minimum doin set after set ranging from 4 reps with the whole stack (400) lbs to 50-100 reps of 50lbs plus running and bike . is (natural) growth even possible at this point or do you believe there comes a point where each person peaks ?

[KeyMastur]

There is a point where each person peaks, and that's where change of workout, and AS comes into play. You'll see what I mean after you're finished with your first one.

...and I thought creatine did me wonders......ha.

[Big Al]

Ok bro,

Cycle advice

Run the DBol for at least 4 weeks at 30-40mg ED

Inject the Sus/Deca twic per week. Otherwise IMO the Sus will be wasted see Cyc's post on Sus.

I'd save the winny for another cycle.

Don't run HCG and Clomid together,this will hinder recovery. If you are worried about your nads then you can shoot, 5000i.u after your last injection and then again week later.

[john47]

thanks for the info . ill do it like that . i'm not so much worried about my nuts so much since this is my first cycle and relatively low doses . but i was hoping to keep as much of the gains as possible . and i was wanting my body to go back to producing its own hormones as quick as possible . cuz my gf already wants to do it more often than me now , and if i have less sex drive than this , she is going to be PISSED . besides i'll be bummed too . whats IMO mean ? is it possible to gain like 5-10 pounds of muscle and keep it as long as i train hard or will it eventually fade away ? what is it like for your sex drive post cycle ? is the hcg nessecary for a 1st timer ? is it nessecary at this dosage ? and will a 1.5 inch needle ever hit the bone ? i mean i dont want to be like that dude who stuck the needle up his ass . posting messages saying c'mon guys theres gotta be a different way ! and i just read the proper use of sustanon in a cycle article ... should i take that much for a first cycle ? 250/ed ?

[arthurb999]

There is no way a 1.5 will hit bone if you inject into you glute.... go with one inch everywhere else...

If your sex drive is down post cycle... get a few viagra She won't know what hit her.

[SHOT]

yes bro 20 mg of dbol woudlnt do shit....bump that atleast 35 mg for atleast 5 weeks i would go 6 weeks if i was you...i would bump the deca to 400 mg a week for 10 weeks and the sus to 500 mg a week for 10 weeks

clomid 1 week after you last shot for 3 weeks 50 mg ed/ 100 mg eod/ 50 mg ed

good luck bro

and congrats for sitting down the bottle for so long bro.....stay with it

[Improving]

Just thought I would give a welcome to SHOT over here. First time Ive seen you at AR. Hope all is well.

Improving

[crackerlinebacker]

Congrats on getting off the poision.

Up your protein to 2 grams per pound of your bodyweight. I know 400 grams of protein may seem high. Do it slowly. Try to get 220 grams at first. Then move to 250grams of protein per day, then to 300, then 350, etc. If you notice a shit load of fat gains, then taper the protein down some. Sounds like your looking to play ball or do so. If thats the case...then set aside 2-3 days a wk that you do sprint work and agilities. This will help with the fat gain, if any, from the protein. I don't think you will gain much bad weight by upping the protein...what it will do is keep you from going catabolic,,,,or forcing your body to eat its own muscles to meet its protein requirements. Get this down now so when you hit the gear your good to go.


Since this is your first go around...I really think your cycle is overkill. There is no reason in hell to stack 3 drugs in your first cycle.

Dbol by itself will disappoint you so you did good in choosing that one to stack with something.

Sust will give you 15-20 lbs on its own and you can dick around a little bit on your diet.

Deca will give you 20-30 lbs on its own if your protein is adequate and the cardio is kept low.

You have the classic Anabolic /Androgenic stack there. THe Meat and Potatos of BULKING. But how do you know which one works really well for you? Some guys don't gain spit from Sust...others complain about erection problems from Deca. If you encounter so negative problems you won't know which AS to attribute your problems to.

Here's my .02. If you have all of those items..save them. Pick sust or deca and use it by itself. Run the cycle for 8-12 wks. Try plopping a 19 guage 1.5 in your shoulder cuz you forgot to switch the drawing pin with the injection pin...lol. You will be fine. May take you 20 mins to do it, standing there butt ass naked infront of a mirror...but you will start to look forward to it. Just be sure to clean the area both b4 and after.

I suggest you pick one or the other. No need to stack now. Save that for cycle 3 and above.

If you want to and won't listen to reason...then use either sust or deca as the BASE and the dbol as the variable.

Its your call. Some will say its not enough. Others will say its too much. Some will say, "You only get one FIRST CYCLE so make the most of it." Others will tell you to do this and that. Find what works for you. Its your body and there is only one way to see what works.

Be sure to get a complete physical before you do a damn thing. Have your liver enzymes checked before doing anything....especially DBOL! Get your T-levels checked now as well as your cholesterol. That way when your all done and have cleaned up you can go back for a check up and make sure your FINE.

Expect a little FLU like symptoms the first 2 or 3 wks. Be patient and don't freak if your not gaining 20 lbs in 4 days. Won't work like that. You will find that doing AS and lifting is the easy part...its the EATING that will strain you and its the EATING that will decide the gains you get. Shoot your ass and sit on your ass...all you will get is a big ass. So keep training. Around wk 6-7 you will feel burnt out and your joints will be a little sore probably. Its okay to take a few days off. It will clear your mind and give you a new appetite for training.

Lets see....anything I left out??? Oh yeah...just remember that if your an ASS now you will be a bigger ASS later. Superman wears a cape...you don't. Just chill and resist the urge to tell your friends, etc. etc. Thats how people in the US get nabbed. And that is whats great about having message boards....you can discuss things with people that don't know you.

Take a b4 and after picture. Don't always go by the scale. And the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked!!!

Good luck. And remember the consequences if you live in the US.

BigC

[PaPaPumP]

Cracker, great post, you p ut some serious time into that one. Great addition to AR.

[SHOT]

Originally posted by Improving
Just thought I would give a welcome to SHOT over here. First time Ive seen you at AR. Hope all is well.

Improving

hey bro thanks for the welcome...i been here a few time...just never had the time to stick around....well now i have the time sooooo lol

[crackerlinebacker]

Ty P4. Nice place here. And shit...so many new faces. Hell...love learning different views on things. Insulin is whats on deck for this bro.

BigC

Let me dig out a pic so your boys can drop some knowledge on me.

Goal---to be 260lbs ripped, and never lose it.

Goal---to do my State's NCP event.

[john47]

its cool to have so many people trying to help . you must have put a lot of time into that . clb you are right about many things i m just gonna keep my mouth shut for a while . i did play football on sundays until i hurt my back . in about a week im gonna see a surgeon . and if i need surgery to be able to play again , im gonna have to stop training for up to 2 months so my cycle will be about a year away . otherwise im gonna wait till i can sprint regularly then when im back at full speed ill start . i am still lifting now just no squats or nothing really heavy while im standing . im only about 200-300 g of protein right now though . as far as my gear goes im thinking the d-bol might not make it now . so im expecting the sus250 and clomid and hcg . i am still trying to find the deca but i figure i have time . as long as i can make gains just on the sus250 , i might have to try that . my resources are pretty much limited to the internet now . and nothing sounds to promising in light of this anthrax shit . im thinking about going to mexico myself and trying it that way if all else fails .

[pureanger]

CB
nice pic bro we all should look like that.....

[Gonna Be HUGE]

Wow! So many well-informed responses! This board really stands out amongst the rest as the real vault of knowledge. I am glad I made my way here.

I am getting ready to do a cycle of test prop by itself (maybe some winny tabs for the last 4 or 5 weeks), but I am wondering if I need any HCG or not. I have never used it before, and have had no problems. I just keep a little nolvadex on hand and some clomid for post-cycle, and that is usually enough.

But after reading clb's response, I am wondering if I should think about it? Is HCG really necessary with something as little as 300-400g of Test Prop/Week?

Thanks for the help bros! Keep this board kickin!