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    The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle by Squatdemon

    One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benefit from the esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not receive proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continuously, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle. All test is the same, but only once the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results from the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.

    I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone . With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop 60mg of phenylprop 60mg of isocaproate 100mg of deconate Combined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Let's take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body.
    30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benefits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now let's say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week.

    60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, *******'s powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.

    To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at the longer acting esters in sus.

    60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time.
    100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Deca -Durabolin . The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.

    If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a different story).

    The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesn't like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no it's not crazy, it's science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal injecting every day. People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference. Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed, and you just may thank me and DAWG later......peace

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    I read this over on Elite, not really sure if I agree with it though. I'll have to look over it again and extend the research myself.

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    "60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. "

    who is he kidding? phenlyprop has a very similar half life to enathate/cypionate and is in no way similar to propionate . Decanoate peaks at between 4-5 days.


    "basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides"

    dont even get me started , this goes against all conventional wisdom. So the purpose is to have highs and lows in blood concentrations

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    Here we go again!

    Great info, some of which has made me think.........

    I've ordered testivron-Depot for my next cycle, thought I'd move away from Sus and give eth. a try


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    I dont agree with it either - Phenylprop is a long ester - but im putting it here so as to encourage debate - notice its not in the hot topics section.

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    Damn that's a good post CYC

    had to bump it for everyone to get another looksie.

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    heh............

    talk about nostalgia...........thats an old article.....

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    an oldy but a goody for da bran newbeans

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    With a post like this you need to take out the info that you deem can benifit you and leave the info that you dont want either way its still a great post

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    Hey unity was'nt that posted on MMX also?........When there was a MMX......heh heh....and a bigdawg.......

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    Talking

    done it, didnt like the results, switched to testoviron depot.

    with myself not being rich, nor professional, i did sust, three amps a week, all at once, ive learned my leason, i put on size but not as much as i would have liked and i could barely walk two to three days a week

    long live enanthate !!!!

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    How is that Testoviron ? You use the 250? You can't get it in Mexico can you? Does it kick in quicker than just using Enth?



    thanks for playin 20 questions

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    I just say to hell with all long lasting esters, hahaha



    LONG LIVE PROPINATE

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    isn't that why you just frontload the sust, if you are going an only sust cycle?

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    Cycleon - I think I understand your point. I planned to use omnadren (Jelfa, S.A.) in my next cycle as follows: weeks 1 and 2 750 mgs each, and weeks 3-5 500 mgs. each. Assuming I spread my injections of the omnadren out over the week, would I benefit from adding 50 mgs. of prop. EOD for the first two weeks? Would that bring my levels up quickly for fast results?

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    I only did 250 a week. I didn't really know what I was doing. I wish I new about the good info all you guys had to give. Got some major strength gains though. I also had and still do some major joint pain. Dry joints = norandralone deconate. If I'm wrong please tell me. By the way.sus/omna really hurt my ass. No pain, no gain. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

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    The JU-ICE, nandrolone decanoate aka deca is good for your joints, unfortunately in my opinion is not worth the side effects Not everyone is effected by them but I do and know of many others who do as well. The myth that deca was the safest steroid holds no weight. Dbol is also good for your joints as a joint aid. 10-15mgs daily should help out

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    Correct me if im wrong but, If you have 30mg of prop active in the body 1 week. 100 mg of deco active in the body 2 weeks. 60mg of phen active 3 weeks . 60mg of iso active 3 weeks. Couldnt you cycle for Ex. weeks1 1 shot 250 mg-- week 2 1 shot 250mg, actual in body 470 mg--week 3 1 shot 250mg, actual 590mg--week 4 2 shots 500mg, actual 840mg-- week5 2 shots 500mg, actual 1060mg--week6 2 shots 500mg, actual 1180-- week7 1 shot 250 mg, actual 930-- week8 1 shot 250mg, actual 710mg-- week9 1 shot 250mg, actual 590mg-- week 10 o shot still in body 340mg week 11 0 shot still in body 120mg. So if you take in 250 mg a week you actually get more than 250 a week. Same for 500 mg a week you get a lot more than 500 mg. So when i hear someone saying they are taking 500 mg a week it isnt true. Please give feedback, this cycle has been seen and used by several pro's, which is why i know it works. Obviouly you can up the dosage ang take in more than 1000 mg a week but you have to calculate, It isnt as simple as saying 1000mg ok i need four needles a week becaus you carry over alot each week.

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    I am sure I will get hell for this from all the Sustanon people here but the proper way for me to use Sustanon is to NOT use it! For some reason I just don't like it, I never have!

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    I agree with that 100%.My first cycle I did little amounts and received great gains.THe next time I did sust. Allowed me to keep those lower levels because I wasnt overly saturated.

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    Great read guys,

    I was seriously considering using sust for my cycle but now I'll stick with the original plan of doing test cyp instead.

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    great article !

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    about sustanon , I was thinking of going on a sustanon/eq (500mg/500mg per week) for 10 weeks, its my second cycle and my goal is to put on about 10 pounds of muscle. what do you guys think?
    oh by the way Im 22 and my first cycle was Deca /D-bol for 8 weeks and it was okay i donno i gained more water than actual mass.

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    Sustanon Alternative please?

    Just finished reading everyone slamming sustanon , only problem is that I was going to start my 2nd cycle next week...What's a good alternative available in Mexico. Only prerequisites are injectables that don't need to be administered more than once weekly.
    Thanx Sintexxx

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    there really are no injectables that you should only administer once weekly.

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    I am not an expert on all esters but I would agree with gearedup when he said what he did. I wouldn't use sust unless I was shooting sus 3 times a week or shooting twice a week and filling in the off days with prop. It just doesn't make sense to take sust less than 3 times a week and why people feel sust is the god to getting big is beyond me. Give me enanthate and I'm happy. sintexxx, start your own thread.

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    2x/wk has always worked for me.

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    I know it will work, but why not save the cash and buy the cheaper test e or c alternative?

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    my last two cycles included sus EOD. i was very happy with the results. my next cycle i'm gonna use testoviron and i hope i'm as happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blanket
    about sustanon , I was thinking of going on a sustanon/eq (500mg/500mg per week) for 10 weeks, its my second cycle and my goal is to put on about 10 pounds of muscle. what do you guys think?
    oh by the way Im 22 and my first cycle was Deca/D-bol for 8 weeks and it was okay i donno i gained more water than actual mass.
    bro, if you don;t gain 10 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks with that you have eaten nothing, I ran a 500mg/week sust and 250mg/week of enanthate for 10 weeks and gained about 20lbs. I eat a lot and was weighing myself at the gym everyday and seemed to gain a pound eod like clockwork it was hard livin but 10 lbs on that cycle assuming it is your second cycle, should be a peice of cake bro! I LOVE SUST i love the pain for some reason I feel it all day I can barely sit down, I tell my wife I fell on my ass b/c she likes to grab it all the time!

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    Oh yeah I would have been better off with prop instead of enanthate but it wasnt around and that is a killer pain in the ass b/c of all the alchohol in prop.

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    Sust - once a week - Athletic

    Hi, I'm new to this, however I may have made a mistake which I hope someone can put my mind at rest.

    I am 30 and been training for over two years. However my goal of training is to help with my tennis ( strange you may say) I was advised to do a cycle 250 Sust every 14 days and 100 of primo per week. I was informed that I should expect an increase in lean mass (5 lbs), an increase in strength and a decrease in Fat........

    After reading your messages, have I been fooled????


    Appreciate hearing from someone.

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    gud day people, can anybody in the house help me what other steroids can i combine with sustanon250mg, i want to have a mass and ripped body, in case i push thru with roids this will be my first cycle

    thanx in advance...

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    I'm on sustanon as we speak with 125mg EOD injections. I've just started my 3rd week and I can def. feel the effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smackdown
    gud day people, can anybody in the house help me what other steroids can i combine with sustanon250mg, i want to have a mass and ripped body, in case i push thru with roids this will be my first cycle

    thanx in advance...

    Dont use sustanon for your frist cycle unless you are ready to inject yourself at least 4 times a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOHO
    Hi, I'm new to this, however I may have made a mistake which I hope someone can put my mind at rest.

    I am 30 and been training for over two years. However my goal of training is to help with my tennis ( strange you may say) I was advised to do a cycle 250 Sust every 14 days and 100 of primo per week. I was informed that I should expect an increase in lean mass (5 lbs), an increase in strength and a decrease in Fat........

    After reading your messages, have I been fooled????


    Appreciate hearing from someone.
    Start your own thread for this. This thread is taken already. And actually, read this thread and you'll get your answer. This is from a MOD on here and it's very factual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoaster
    Dont use sustanon for your frist cycle unless you are ready to inject yourself at least 4 times a week.
    what roids can u sugges 4 my first cycle?

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