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    Will this stack kill me?

    Im 19 139 Pounds... I need about 30 put on... Is this stack dangerous for me?


    Super Stack – Gain at least 30 lbs. AND KEEP IT ALL!

    What you will need:

    24 amps of Sustanon 250

    200 D-ball

    16 amps primo

    14 amps winstrol

    60 clomid

    .

    Tip: You may want to add in some B-12 to each Sus shot, it will help boost your immune system, increase your appetite, and will help minimize pain at the injection site the next day (from the prop in the sus).

    How it works:

    Week 1: This week is funky. You have to quickstart, so do 2 amps Sus on day 1 and another 2 amps on
    Day 2. Every day this week, do 8 d-ball (4 after breakfast, and 4 after dinner);

    1 tab clomid per day (throughout the cycle).

    Week 2: Stay with 8 d-ball per day, and do 500mg sus on Monday and again on Thursday.
    Week 3: Same as week 2
    Week 4: This is your last week of d-ball. Shots of sus stay the same.
    Week 5: No d-ball. Monday = 500mg sus; Tuesday = 200 mg primo; Wednesday = nothing;
    Thursday = 500 mg sus, Friday = 200 mg primo

    Week 6: Last week of sus. Same as week 5.
    Week 7: Start winny – 1 amp everyday, Keep primo on Tuesdays and Fridays
    Week 8: Same as week 7
    Weeks 9 – 10: Creatine (20g per day) and glutamine (40g per day)
    Why it works: the deep geek stuff

    Let’s roughly classify steroids in two ways – Androgen Receptor (AR)
    mediated, and non-AR mediated.

    AR-mediated action occurs on the cellular level, affecting DNA transcript
    thus stimulating growth.

    Non-AR mediated mechanisms are various (and some are not understood yet),
    but one would be inhibiting the effects that glucocorticoids have upon
    muscle tissue. In other words, they prevent glucocorticoids from increasing
    glutamine synthetase and causing muscle tissue breakdown. This would be an
    anti-catabolic activity.



    So first of all you want a ********* compound that binds to the AR, such as
    Testosterone , Deca , Trenbolone etc. Their affinity or binding to the AR is
    different, making Deca and Tren more effective on a mg per mg basis than
    Testosterone. Trenbolone is said to be 3 times as effective than
    Testosterone. My view is that 500mg/week of Testosterone will be close to
    saturation of the receptor, but let’s consider this for a second…

    The number of receptors is related to genetics and muscle mass, so someone
    300lbs would need more than a 200lbs guy to saturate the receptors, right?
    There is also evidence that high levels of androgens in the body,
    upregulates or sensitizes the receptor, as will some steroids (which make
    some stacks more efficient than others), and of course heavy weight
    training – IMPORTANT! This last issue is the reason why you should probably
    train for a few years to get closer to what you can achieve naturally, since
    this will make more AR available for growth potential.

    You can not argue with 1000mg of Testosterone being more effective than
    500mg, even in beginners. And the fact is that your 1st, or virginal cycle
    will be your best one since you are further away from your genetic potential
    than someone with a few cycles under his belt. Saying that you should limit
    dosage on your first cycle for allowing higher dosage in later cycles just
    doesn’t sound right to me – after all, a gram a week would get you faster to
    your genetic potential if you’re not already there.

    Going beyond this level, however – say someone who is 40lbs over what he
    could achieve naturally - would need this much just to sustain what he
    already has. But his receptors will also be more sensitized and upregulated
    both due to more muscle mass, more training, and higher levels of androgens
    in his body on previous cycles. This will make it both more effective – as
    well as possible – to go with higher dosages. I find that in the long term,
    after ending drug use, he'll end up splitting the difference between his
    drug-assisted peak and what he could have achieved naturally. He'll be able
    to maintain at least 1/3 and probably 1/2 of his gains.

    This is probably due to increased nucleation of muscle cells and to
    differentiation of satellite cells into mature muscle cells. Both these
    changes are permanent and, in my opinion, give a lasting advantage to the
    athlete.

    The KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid) is hard to contradict, since a
    gram a week of T will probably give the greatest gains via AR-mechanism, and
    some additional non-AR mediated effects. Of course, adding in something like
    Deca at 400mg/week (which I consider close to maximum considering
    progestronic activity), with somewhat higher affinity for the AR – you
    reduce the dosage of T. Deca, of course, doesn’t aromatize much – but you
    still get water-retention due to it’s progestronic activity. You can reduce
    this by using Winstrol, which appears to block this effect almost entirely.
    I personally stay away from Deca for various reasons I’m not going to
    address now.

    Maybe adding some Dianabol here (which works primarily via non-AR action)
    gives a great stack – at 40-50mg/day in divided dosages. D-bol also works
    synergistically with both Testosterone and Deca, but limit its use to 4
    weeks since it is 17 alpha alkylated and will be toxic to the liver. As for
    other orals, on a mg for mg basis I use the following for comparing
    effectiveness:

    Dianabol (methandrostenolone )… 20-35 mg, Winstrol (stanozolol )… 30-65 mg,
    Anavar (oxandrolone)… 20-35 mg, Primobolan (methenolone acetate)… 100-200
    mg, Halotestin (fluoxymesterone)… 15-25 mg, Methyltestosterone … 75 mg,
    Anadrol (Oxymetholone) 50mg.

    Using a constant dosage of a long-acting esters such as Sustanon will cause
    levels in the body to accumulate slowly to a peak at the 2 week point. Doing
    a double or triple injection on Day 1 – or using propionate during this time
    period will get levels high initially, thus imitating levels at the 2 week
    point. Levels will steadily decrease for about 2 weeks after the last
    injection too, depending on your dosage – so either you should use
    propionate for making the transition from high levels/gaining to low
    levels/recovery as fast as possible.

    Another choice would be to use Primobolan for coming off, since it has low
    inhibition of the HPTA axis and subsequently might solidify gains
    post-cycle.

    Using Testosterone and D-bol will cause various problems such as
    water-retention, inhibition of natural T production, and gyno. Clomid is an
    agonist to the estrogen-receptor, as well as stimulating LH release and
    improving blood lipid profile, but does not produce an estrogenic response.
    So when you're using ********* compounds that aromatize, Clomid will reduce
    the side effects associated with this (water-retention, gyno etc. ), as well
    as reducing testicular atrophy. This happens from day 1 of using such
    steroids, so why anyone thinks using Clomid AFTER 8-12 weeks of the estrogen
    floating around in your body will help - is beyond me...

    As for HCG , (which is mainly used for preventing testicular atrophy) the
    theory of large doses for post-cycle is flawed. Read the research on this
    before you flame me! There's a huge increase in estrogen - with the
    subsequent need for anti-estrogens to counter this. A better approach is to
    inject something like 500 IU's a day DURING the cycle - which would keep
    your balls big and beautiful throughout.

    But none of these measures prevent the downregulation of the hypothalamus
    and pituitary, so limiting a cycle to 8-10 weeks is still necessary to
    insure proper recovery of the HPTA axis.

    Water-retention in the first weeks of the cycle is not necessarily evil,
    since it will add to your strength – but towards the end it has been my
    experience that hardening up will solidify gains more, being more healthy,
    and giving you a better appearance. Note that some bodybuilders think
    certain steroids work better based solely on the weight they gain. In
    actuality, they could be just retaining a lot of water along with the muscle
    gains. These are the same guys who think they "lose" a lot of muscle after
    their cycle is completed, when they actually just lost much of the water
    they'd been holding.

    So a good choice for this phase of the cycle would be a transition to drugs
    like Winstrol at 50mg/day (and I will probably never inject Winny again
    since it has the same effect if you drink it in divided doses throughout the
    day), Masteron /Permastril, Primo (at least 400mg, and as much as 1000mg/week
    although expensive), Trenbolone(50mg/day will be close to saturate the
    receptors, with 75mg/day being better).

    With Testosterone as the base, I say 1000mg/week being optimal even for a
    beginner at 200lbs and maybe a 2-3 years of consistent training. Adding in
    other steroids that binds equally or better to the AR (Deca, Tren) – try to
    achieve the same total dosage while considering mg per mg effectiveness.
    Adding in non-AR mediated drugs would not necessarily mean that you need to
    lower T dosage, but consider synergistic benefits to add to the
    effectiveness of the cycle.

    Going beyond your genetic potential, more training and steroid experience,
    higher (lean) body mass, and experiencing lower response to steroids
    (genetically fewer AR) = higher total dosage.

    Cycle length: 2 week cycles takes advantage of the fact that there seems to
    be a delay in the shut-down of endogenous Testosterone in the body, so
    short-acting compounds can be used that will clear the system at the 2 week
    point.

    From 3-7 weeks is where a lot of interesting things happen in the body that
    primes it for further growth, so I really think 8 weeks is the minimal here.
    Beyond 12 weeks, however, the hypothalamus and pituitary have been shutdown
    for such a long time that recovery might be a problem. I usually recommend
    10 weeks as optimal.

    So that’s why I put together this specific cycle which I've seen amazing results with (3
    other guys, not myself).

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    WTF?
    dude keep the post simple so people wanna read them. I just skipped to the bottom. You kinda young, how tall are you, how long been training, and what your diet look like. If it where me ...I would not add the Winny, save it for a later cutting cycle, you should expect some nice gains you have enough Test to run500mg for 12 weeks, I don't know the mg/tab of D-bol so can't help you there, and what is the mg/ml of the Primo?
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    Yes, that will definitely kill you because you're too young. Wait a few years.

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    Well... I know a little about Steroids ... I have studied them for about a year b4 i got on my first stack... This one would be my second... i would like to go natural for a while after this one....
    My diets like this
    I try to at least eat 4000 cals a day bare minimum meats complex-carbs fruits... i eat whenever i can and where ever i can... Its good to keep a positive nitrogen balance.. meaning try not to let your stomach grumble for food
    For bulking i am on a 70% carbs and 30% protein

    Im going to work mostly my upper area for now
    Lower decline majority of bulk lays at the bass of the chest... 4 barbell sets of 12 reps finish 4 sets dumbells 5 sets 12 reps pirimiding my weights... Mostly my upper body


    I will be useing Egg protein powder And ill be taking 2000 Mg of primerose everyday to releave stress on my liver... And prolly brewers yeast...

    4 days off for rest 3 days on for workout

    Im eating plenty of carbs like patatoes, rice etc carb loading in the meantime its important for my next workout to be successfull....

    Within 30 minutes after workout i go and get sompthing to eat as the window to replenish my carbs to the muscles closes in that time...

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    LOL
    I dont know why, but this thread just made me laugh for some reason. There doesn't even appear to be anything of humourous nature in it when trying to view it objectively, but I just cant stop laughing.
    Thanks for cheering me up.
    Oh may be it was the title "will this stack kill me?" and Excess' "That will definately kill you". Plain and blunt But then may be Khaoz wants to commit suicide.

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    i've seen this stack onm some BS scammer MF piece of shit AS website, dont buy from this chump, scammer for sure, cant remember what the site is called but its cheasy like deca .org or something

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    Bro, you sound like you have done your homework regarding your diet and shit but IMO stick around for a while a learn from the EXTREMELY knowledgable folks on here.

    You said you had one stack under your belt, but stay natural for a while. With your knowledge in diet you should see great results.

    Either way, can that foot long cycle above and rethink some things.

    Good Luck

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    no flame intended, but HOSS, if you're eating 4,000 cals a day and still 139, you might wanna bump em up to about 6,000.....but honestly i dont believe that you are 19 139lbs...you have quite a bit of info in your post that a 19 yr old just wouldnt be able to put together, not that you cant but at 19,i just dont believe a 19 yr old would take the time to do the research that you seem to have done, most dont give a shit about upregulating a damn thing except their muscles...........maybe i'm wrong

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    How tall are you? Unless you're 5 feet tall, then you're probably not coming close to eating 4000 cals a day because you will gain weight eating that much, and you wouldn't still be 140 pounds.. Ditch that bullshit cycle.

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    for your size and age thats a lot of gear and where did you read this from
    i would drop doseages a little by at least a third

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    Originally posted by tbulldog
    no flame intended, but HOSS, if you're eating 4,000 cals a day and still 139, you might wanna bump em up to about 6,000.....but honestly i dont believe that you are 19 139lbs...you have quite a bit of info in your post that a 19 yr old just wouldnt be able to put together, not that you cant but at 19,i just dont believe a 19 yr old would take the time to do the research that you seem to have done, most dont give a shit about upregulating a damn thing except their muscles...........maybe i'm wrong
    who do you think it is...Coleman?

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    Originally posted by Khaoz
    ... I know a little about Steroids... I have studied them for about a year b4 i got on my first stack... This one would be my second... i would like to go natural for a while after this one....
    If you have studied AS for a year and already done a "stack" and you are still only 139 lbs then your first stack was terrible and you didnt study as hard as you think you did!

    Sorry! I dont mean to flame you here but the fact is that you have taken a post from someplace else and pasted it here to ask our opinions of it. That is not research!

    If you have studied AS for a year you already know that you are too young and have the potential to seriously damage yourself with any amount of AS. I didnt read the whole post since it was obvious that it was going to be one of those "gain or die" stupid ones.

    Dont do it!! You shouldnt even be THINKING about AS at your age (Assuming that IS your age) and definately NOT a gain or die stack!

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    Damn guys jump on the little dawg...
    What i said was true
    Im about 6 foot tall I was 127.. when i started my first stack... i gained 12 pounds... This was a little stack.. I was only on for 5 weeks..
    I used 100 Mg primabolan Depot Each week... 100 Mg Deca Each week... Cyclofenil Tabs 200 Mg each day for four weeks.... Winstrol -V 100 Mg each week... It may not be new but i picked what i thought i should have done for my first stack... It turned out great.. And i know im to young.. but half if not all of you long term users started b4 27 or 16 probably
    Its just sompthing i decided to do

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    See.... People Like you guys taught me what i know... Over a years time me reading what i can and talking to ppl .. being in front of results the b4 and afters... I have picked up alot since last year...
    Im just serious about AS... Im here because i wasnt sure if i could get away with that stack or not... It seemed like alot of Juice... thats why i asked
    Thanx guys
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    Funny enough my first cycle was when I was about 27 (I think you hit the 2 rather than the 1 in your post!!)

    Im sure its not what you want to hear, but really, have a long think about this and spend some time using the search button on here, or even better, just trawl as many of the posts as you can stomach!

    You ARE to young, no matter how sure you may be that you are going to go ahead and use AS, and nothing will change my mind on that! But no-one on here is going to let you go ahead and do yourself damage by not helping you!

    Stop looking at this gain or die stack and read some back posts. There is lots of good advice on here that should point you in the right direction without you needing to ask if it will kill you!!

    As for making gains..... take your time - You have your whole life to make good, solid and SAFE gains!

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    At 139 lbs, I doubt you have reached your natural potential. If you are not gaining, you are missing something: your workout is bad, your diet is bad, you aren't getting enough rest or you have a hormonal problem. If you did a cycle and are still just 139 lbs, then you need to fix the basics before you cycle, steroids don't replace a good workout routine & diet.

    (BTW: hormaonal probelms are a lot rarer that bad workouts and diets--so look there first before you decide it's a hormonal problem!)

    And at 19, you should not be doing steroids. But why do them when you can still gain a lot naturally?

    Start a new post in the workout or section that describes your workout and diet and let the guys give you some opinions.

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    TBULLDOG please tell me thats a cartoon in your avatar

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    Thanx for your advice guys!
    I thought the "Gain or Die" Stack was to good to be true...
    And i was about to come out of my pocket 600 bux too...
    You guys saved my life... sniffle sniffle... and my wallet :-)

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    1.) 12 reps is not for bulking, and neither is decline, lower chest is always being worked, if you want a big chest stick with incline. and for size? stick with 6 reps, and no more than 10, i try between 5-8 usually.
    2.) 19 is really young, and especially at 139 and 6'1, shit, you could proably get to 180 naturally, and damn with 4000 calories a day you should be doing it no problem.

    sorry to be so bold, but something is rotton in denmark or whatever the f*ck

    dj

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    whats the point to getting on young kids for trying juice. he's right most of us probably started before we should of.
    all we can do is try to help with there cycles, they aren't going to listen to us when we tell them they are too young, it's,like when your parents told u not to drink when u were in high school. most of us probably did the exact opposite of everything our parents told us not to do.
    we have to look at these youngsters like this old saying "YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT U CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK"

    in otherwords we can give them the knowledge so they can make a reasonable decision or we can keep telling them not to take it. and they will leave this board and end up somewhere else where some idiot who knows nothing advisizes him to take some fucked up cycle with no logic behind it.

    all newbies if u have questions and don't want the hassle of bros telling you, you are too young then u can pm me and i will help.

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    Sniffle sniffle... Dont worry man... Sniff... I liked it
    Great speech...

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    Originally posted by tbulldog
    honestly i dont believe that you are 19 139lbs...you have quite a bit of info in your post that a 19 yr old just wouldnt be able to put together, not that you cant but at 19,i just dont believe a 19 yr old would take the time to do the research that you seem to have done, most dont give a shit about upregulating a damn thing except their muscles...........maybe i'm wrong
    Im 18, and I think your wrong.

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    At your age and weight I think you should hold off b/c you are nowhere near your full genetic potential! if you start now it will be harder to maintain the size later. Bulk naturally first then cycle if your not happy!

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    Your diet is 70% CHO and 30% protein? Did you happen to realize you are forgetting an essential macronutrient group here? You may not be able to read this in time as dietary fat is known to aid in eye function, so god bless.

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    PS did you research at all or just pick this up from a shitty cycle site?

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    There have been alot of good points made herein the above post. I think everyone contributed good info and ecspecially thaose who said not to use at all!!! Something is fishy about this whole thing!! As for your knowledge on AS...Your first cycle dosage was way to low from my little experiance and you 2nd was just absolutley ignorant...for a 2nd cycle. I am no pro, but I have learned that more is not better when it comes to AS! You should wait before you do another cycle, but if you don't atleast go with a cycle that is not so extreme...If you do alot of hard shit early on ...then you have nothing left to move up to later when your gains stop! I would reccomend you hang around the board a while and READ EVERY POST YOU CAN!!!! I promise you will increase your knowledge on AS!!! I am no prof. when it comes to AS, but as for diet and training I have 4 years under my belt and I can't belive that you eat 4000 calories a day and cannot put on weight...I just can't swallow that bullshit!!! In my first year of training I also thought of turning to AS casu I thought I could not get any bigger. It turned out that it was my diet that was holding me back as well as too much cardio!!!! This is just my opinion on the matter nothing more!!! Please read more post and stay natural for few more years!!!!!

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    dude my opinion is this. read more posts. you say you've learned from people like us... you've joined AR in March 2002 that's like two months. no flames, but you still have a long time to grow naturally. When i cameon this board i didn't really know shit, but though i did, and after reading and reading i starting learning a shitload, and also help out people who are new and starting little cycles. They think i'm lik a juice god but really i only know little compaired to guys on this board. but i'm always trying to help... grow like 20 pounds naturally. you need more gains and also juice is just help... a lot of people take it and think it's a way out of being small. "Ohh i'm taking juice and getting bigger than everyone" then they take it and don't know how to work out, or eat, and once they finish they end up looking like shit, and having people he used to pick on pick on him because he all waisted and looks way small then when he was big. I hate it when i see kids at my gym who have like 3 weeks gym experience and say, i need steroids .... COME ON... YOU DONT' KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY BENCH PRESS, OR SQUAT, AND YOU WANT TO USE STEROIDS ?? YOU WEIGH 120LB AND DON'T KNOW HOW MANY REPS OR SETS TO DO A DAY. DO IN THE GYM EVERY DAY AND DO 2 SETS OF FLAT BENCH, 5 SETS OF BICEPS, 5 TRICEPS, AND SOME SQUATS... WELL FULL BODY WORK OUT... COME ON GUYS... THIS KIDS IN MY GYM GET ME SICK.. .I FEEL LIKE RELEASING SOME RAGE ON THEM FOR BEING TO STUPID... .... WAIT ... I'M SORRY POST.. GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY. WELL ANYWAY LIFT NATURALLY AND GAIN SOME MORE MASS. YOU WILL BE FINE, WAIT AT LEAST ONE WHOLE YEAR AT LEAST... GOODLUCK MAN

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    Originally posted by Billmister
    dude my opinion is this. read more posts. you say you've learned from people like us... you've joined AR in March 2002 that's like two months. no flames, but you still have a long time to grow naturally. When i cameon this board i didn't really know shit, but though i did, and after reading and reading i starting learning a shitload, and also help out people who are new and starting little cycles. They think i'm lik a juice god but really i only know little compaired to guys on this board. but i'm always trying to help... grow like 20 pounds naturally. you need more gains and also juice is just help... a lot of people take it and think it's a way out of being small. "Ohh i'm taking juice and getting bigger than everyone" then they take it and don't know how to work out, or eat, and once they finish they end up looking like shit, and having people he used to pick on pick on him because he all waisted and looks way small then when he was big. I hate it when i see kids at my gym who have like 3 weeks gym experience and say, i need steroids.... COME ON... YOU DONT' KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY BENCH PRESS, OR SQUAT, AND YOU WANT TO USE STEROIDS?? YOU WEIGH 120LB AND DON'T KNOW HOW MANY REPS OR SETS TO DO A DAY. DO IN THE GYM EVERY DAY AND DO 2 SETS OF FLAT BENCH, 5 SETS OF BICEPS, 5 TRICEPS, AND SOME SQUATS... WELL FULL BODY WORK OUT... COME ON GUYS... THIS KIDS IN MY GYM GET ME SICK.. .I FEEL LIKE RELEASING SOME RAGE ON THEM FOR BEING TO STUPID... .... WAIT ... I'M SORRY POST.. GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY. WELL ANYWAY LIFT NATURALLY AND GAIN SOME MORE MASS. YOU WILL BE FINE, WAIT AT LEAST ONE WHOLE YEAR AT LEAST... GOODLUCK MAN
    I'm not sure what you just said but I agree.

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    holy crap! did i just read that cycle correct... its like too much, too little, too soon, not enough.. like only 5 weeks of sus but over a gram a week. then dbol at respectable doses for experienced users but only for 4 weeks. then primo and winny just thrown in when ever.. and only for the last couple weeks.. and clomid everyday for the entire cycle?? id love to talk to the person who wrote this cycle!! it would be hours of laughs! you should wait being only 19 but in all reality most of these guys started young too. lee priest started at 19.. if your set on taking another cycle go with 500mg sus\week primo 400mg\week dbol 25mg\day (wk 1-6) that would be a good cycle for you.. deca would be better then primo mainly because of cost. (400mg deca) take clomid at the end of the cycle!! 3 weeks after last injection.. start with 200mg 1st day followed by 100 mg for 9 days then 50mg for 10. keep nolvadex on hand. if you train properly and eat enough you should see 20lbs maybe more maybe less.. all depends on you.. good luck bro.

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    Just EAT EAT AND EAT! your 19 years old and 139 pounds, eat like 8 meals a day and when your full, EAT MORE. and Don't miss a schedualed workout. But whats most important for a guy like you is to eat. and no snikers and dorito's along with a slurpee is not a meal.

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    Thanx guys
    With what steroids i have on hand right now i came up with this stack... I think this is more reality based then the stack above THAT WAS FOUND ON A WEBSEARCH for you guys who didnt know where i came up with that crazy shit.... i was knowledgable enough to not jump into that stack without asking someone first... my knowledge on AS in the first place had been contradicted by the "Crazy stack" thats what lead me to ask... if you guys had told me hell yeah that stack is wonderful i would have been confused...
    My new stack is as follows

    Primabolan-Depot 200Mg Each week for 8 weeks
    Sustanon 500Mg Each week for 8 weeks
    Russian D-bol 2 Morning 2 Evening 5Mg Each Tab
    Clomid 50Mg a day week 8-9
    And maybe some Equipoise somewhere?

    All advice given is appreciated

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    sup bro, im 19 also. some pple wrote 19 year olds couldn't put a good cycle and diet together, but i did so you're wrong. Im on test 400mg/wk, and winny 50mged and into week 6 in my cycle and gained 14lbs of solid mass with no water due to winny and liquidex. Bro you can gain naturally bro. i went from 135-153 in like 2 and half months with just strict diet and some protein and glutamine. than i hit the sauce and now im 167lbs and still going up. i say stick with this cycle
    EQ 400mg/wk1-10
    Test 400mg/wk1-10
    dbol 30mg/ed wk1-4
    liquidex .5/eod wk1-13
    clomid starts wk 13 with 300mg/first day, 100mg/ next 10 days, and 50mg last 10 days.
    Also dont forget to drink alot of water and take 750mg/ed of ALA with your dbols. good luck

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