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    help about first cycle

    After all the research and advice, i come up wit this for first cycle:
    12 week [email protected]/week
    and for PCT clomid and nolva

    to make sure i dont do anything wrong...i assume shoot 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks and wats the good time to start PCT?

    Also somesays i can also take t-400 800mg/wk for 10 weeks

    wat u guys say..is it almost the same thing? and also TestE or testprop or T-400 which 1 help u to cut while on cycle...as i wanan do it for cut as my first choice
    critique and helpwit ur advice and exp guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    After all the research and advice, i come up wit this for first cycle:
    12 week [email protected]/week
    and for PCT clomid and nolva

    to make sure i dont do anything wrong...i assume shoot 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks and wats the good time to start PCT?

    Also somesays i can also take t-400 800mg/wk for 10 weeks

    wat u guys say..is it almost the same thing? and also TestE or testprop or T-400 which 1 help u to cut while on cycle...as i wanan do it for cut as my first choice
    critique and helpwit ur advice and exp guys
    thnx
    went thru ur posts, and you showed no indication of being ready to cycle

    as for reaching your natural limit, ur not even close

    and diet, low nothing if u wanna get big

    since ur a beginner, 4000-5000 calories would be acceptable

    make sure u get at least 1.5 grams/lb of protein

    my diet

    1) 12 raw eggs
    2) 2 cups oats,3 cups milk, 2 cans tuna
    3) repeat 2
    4) 10-12 oz chicken breast, 2 cups oats, 3 cups milk(or an equal substitute)
    5) repeat 4
    6) repeat 4

    total 7480 calories.....610g protein.....196g fat.....726g carbs

    i didnt include snacks in that, but thats my diet on days i dont lift

    this diet is just for an example

    for training, you cant go wrong with hst www.hypertrophy-specific.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    After all the research and advice, i come up wit this for first cycle:
    12 week [email protected]/week
    and for PCT clomid and nolva

    to make sure i dont do anything wrong...i assume shoot 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks and wats the good time to start PCT?

    Also somesays i can also take t-400 800mg/wk for 10 weeks

    wat u guys say..is it almost the same thing? and also TestE or testprop or T-400 which 1 help u to cut while on cycle...as i wanan do it for cut as my first choice
    critique and helpwit ur advice and exp guys
    thnx

    Well i havent been on many cycles, but my help for you, if you were to inject any test, t400 is the better one to do so, and i wouldnt do 800mg a week. thats ALOT. id recommend you to do 400mg a week, 10weeks. youll notice alot, but as the guy above me said. its all on diet, make sure you have a high dose of protein and carbs. rest and water is more important than lifting heavy weight as well. goodluck

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    you can run all those test compounds mate to cut,you just adjust your diet,bulkin or cuttin is all about the diet mate,as for the start times of pct for test e,start pct 14 days after the last inject!

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    I just finished a cycle with test e, 250mg x 2 a week. 10mg nolva ed, made great gains. PCT 14 days after last injection like BOOZ said. Wouldn`t go with 800mg a week for a first cycle. Think that`s too much. Be sure that you are ready before you start a cycle. Whats your stats?

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    800mg/wk is too much for ameture, unless he already weighs 220+ ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by onehundredk
    800mg/wk is too much for ameture, unless he already weighs 220+ ha
    If he never juiced before, I believe it`s to much even if he weighs 220+ Ha

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    when i did t4, my first week was 200mg, and then 9 next weeks were 400mg...not sure if the easy on helped, but i do know. if you dont wanna end up in ER stick with smaller dosages

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    Quote Originally Posted by onehundredk
    when i did t4, my first week was 200mg, and then 9 next weeks were 400mg...not sure if the easy on helped, but i do know. if you dont wanna end up in ER stick with smaller dosages
    My first cycle I frontloaded with 1g test e first week. 500mg the rest 11weeks. Never went to the ER though..

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    which test?

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    my bad. ethan...hmm, but im talking about t4..not too educated on the different tests, i just say the more the better during cycling, even just a test cycle is probably really good.

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    thnx for the replies guys.....my stats r 6'1,210lbs,3.5yr liftin exp....and i think my calories intake r over 4000.....as some of u guys go wit T-400 and other TestE...so if u take 500/wk 2 shots of either 1, dats the best way for the first time user...
    if the diet is incheck TestE or T-400 help u Cut?
    wat about proviron for Pct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    thnx for the replies guys.....my stats r 6'1,210lbs,3.5yr liftin exp....and i think my calories intake r over 4000.....as some of u guys go wit T-400 and other TestE...so if u take 500/wk 2 shots of either 1, dats the best way for the first time user...
    if the diet is incheck TestE or T-400 help u Cut?
    wat about proviron for Pct?
    dont know much about provirion so maybe someone else can help you there; or steroid .com the profiles....test usualy just gets you bulker/beefy..i didnt know you were that big of a guy from the first post. if you get a big enough syringe you can shot 2 test in one...but t4 alone is good-500mg/wk. just curious; whyd you decide to do only test-cycle?

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    nolvadex /clomid for PCT..... proviron is mainly used for water weight and libido problems while on cycle.....

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    the reason i decide to do test for first cycle is...mainly cos its my first time...and im gonna run the test only to see how i react to it then in later cycles i can add extras
    but i was told that Test is to builds muscle and burns fat,where as other mainly for bulkup process
    i mite be wrong.so fill me in..plzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    the reason i decide to do test for first cycle is...mainly cos its my first time...and im gonna run the test only to see how i react to it then in later cycles i can add extras
    but i was told that Test is to builds muscle and burns fat,where as other mainly for bulkup process
    i mite be wrong.so fill me in..plzz
    i already said you arent ready to cycle, you are just beginning to learn proper bodybuilding, you need to apply this new information and see if it works before you juice or you will never know if it was the new bbing info or the gear that gave you gains

    post your diet, include grams of proteincarbs/fat and overall calorie count

    post your training regimen

    post your goals, be specific

    do not juice

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    diet is like 6 eggwhite...3 shakes...20oz chkn..2cans of tuna..along wit snacks after every few hrs like fruits...
    trainin is like 4 times a week wit rest like split thing
    goals...jus to look good & noticeable...main goal tohave around 17-17.5 inch arms
    traing for over 3yrs and as above stated weight around 210
    and the reason im thinkin to do juice is cos i think i hit my natural gain limit as my arm size kinda stop at 15.5 inch

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    diet is like 6 eggwhite...3 shakes...20oz chkn..2cans of tuna..along wit snacks after every few hrs like fruits...
    trainin is like 4 times a week wit rest like split thing
    goals...jus to look good & noticeable...main goal tohave around 17-17.5 inch arms
    traing for over 3yrs and as above stated weight around 210
    and the reason im thinkin to do juice is cos i think i hit my natural gain limit as my arm size kinda stop at 15.5 inch
    i am 100% sure without a doubt positive that you have NOT hit your genetic limit(this is unless you have some sort of disease)

    ur diet is too skimpy to gain muscle

    try this diet

    breakfast 6-12 whole eggs

    meal#2 1 can tuna, one cup oats one cup milk

    meal#3 repeat#2

    meal#4 7 oz chicken, one cup oats, one cup milk

    meal#5 repeat#4

    meal#6 repeat#4

    totals 3593calories.....88g fat.....334g carbs.....352g protein

    thats the base, but u will need to add 500 calories to it
    this is about half of what i eat in a day

    as for training.....elaborate on it, what do you do specifically

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    diet is like 6 eggwhite...3 shakes...20oz chkn..2cans of tuna..along wit snacks after every few hrs like fruits...
    trainin is like 4 times a week wit rest like split thing
    goals...jus to look good & noticeable...main goal tohave around 17-17.5 inch arms
    traing for over 3yrs and as above stated weight around 210
    and the reason im thinkin to do juice is cos i think i hit my natural gain limit as my arm size kinda stop at 15.5 inch
    On another post a month ago you say you have been working out 2 years. Now it's 3 years. Then your talking about how you may have reached your natural limit. Not even close. I am 6'2" 215lbs with 17.5 inch arms. And from all your questions on simple dieting and training techniques, I think it would be a mistake to start. But then again what do I know. I started AAS when a lot of people said I was too young. Just hope you realize you won't keep jack sh!t in terms of gains if you don't know what your doing. You will be lucky to end up with the same amount of muscle and some extra fat.

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    for trainin...i train every bodypart once a week...rite now doin a split...back/bis then off...chest/tris then off...shoulders then off and then legs and off and repeat..
    u guys probably be rite...as i mite not be ready..but the reason is as stated by 1buffsob...he stand 6'2 wit 17.5 inch arms....thats my week part(i.e my arms)....my chest,shoulders,back all grow as compare to arms..and dat make them look even small....some1 suugest me to try one cycle as it mite help thts why i post it for ur expert comments and advise
    it was acually 3 yrs...mybad i misprint in ma previous post

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    for trainin...i train every bodypart once a week...rite now doin a split...back/bis then off...chest/tris then off...shoulders then off and then legs and off and repeat..
    u guys probably be rite...as i mite not be ready..but the reason is as stated by 1buffsob...he stand 6'2 wit 17.5 inch arms....thats my week part(i.e my arms)....my chest,shoulders,back all grow as compare to arms..and dat make them look even small....some1 suugest me to try one cycle as it mite help thts why i post it for ur expert comments and advise
    it was acually 3 yrs...mybad i misprint in ma previous post
    id give HST a try if i were you www.hypertrophy-specific.com

    im not trying to be mean, but it sounds like english isnt your first language, so if you need help learning the training method, pm me

    also, remember this.....gear is highly addictive.....if you think you will do a cycle(a quality cycle, with well earned gains) and stop, you are wrong, that would be like trying to quit smoking if it made your penis bigger, wont happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomm
    for trainin...i train every bodypart once a week...rite now doin a split...back/bis then off...chest/tris then off...shoulders then off and then legs and off and repeat..
    u guys probably be rite...as i mite not be ready..but the reason is as stated by 1buffsob...he stand 6'2 wit 17.5 inch arms....thats my week part(i.e my arms)....my chest,shoulders,back all grow as compare to arms..and dat make them look even small....some1 suugest me to try one cycle as it mite help thts why i post it for ur expert comments and advise
    it was acually 3 yrs...mybad i misprint in ma previous post
    I never liked doing back with bis and chest with tris. Never worked for me. I do arms on a seperate day. And I super set them. You might want to change your workout. Everyone is different and responds in a different way. For example, my workout looks like this

    mon chest
    tues back
    wed shoulders
    thurs legs
    friday biceps/triceps
    sat traps and hamstrings

    This is what works for me. A lot of people say it's too much but to each his own. But apparently your workout isn't doing its job. At least for your arms. Try some high volume, high weight, Lee Priest type sh!t.

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