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**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 09:38 AM

I am on week 8, I have been I have moved up to 400 mg Deca and 500 Suston 250, divided into two injections per week to finish. I was going to start clen this last month and finish off with clomid once I am done. I have seen some decent gains thus far, but I read deca really starts kicking in around week 5. This is my first stab at this.

**Born Threat** · 11-28-2005, 09:41 AM

why?

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 09:46 AM

I was double checking I was on the right track. If everything I read was right and figured someone who has been doing this could say yea or nay and so I know better for next time.

**Tyrone_Biggums** · 11-28-2005, 09:48 AM

Training Experience:
1 year

I think you have no business doing steroids after only one year of training.

**Born Threat** · 11-28-2005, 09:49 AM

what changing dosages at the end of the cycle?

nay....

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 09:50 AM

That is what I figured. I read this was a good cycle to begin with. THanks.

**Born Threat** · 11-28-2005, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Tyrone_Biggums

Training Experience:
1 year

I think you have no business doing steroids after only one year of training.

**Born Threat** · 11-28-2005, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by TxPolo2

That is what I figured. I read this was a good cycle to begin with. THanks.

it's not a good cycle period.

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 09:56 AM

Even for a first cycyle, it is pretty basic from what I read on here. What would you add....and I have been lifting for 5 years. I just didn't fill in all that profile crap when I started on here.

Can you expand your opinion a little please.

**Tyrone_Biggums** · 11-28-2005, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by TxPolo2

Even for a first cycyle, it is pretty basic from what I read on here. What would you add....and I have been lifting for 5 years. I just didn't fill in all that profile crap when I started on here.

Can you expand your opinion a little please.

Really....so it filled in by its self???

**Born Threat** · 11-28-2005, 10:02 AM

that's not a good first cycle at all, and why the clen ?

i better first cycle would be something like test e or c at 500mg(EW), for 12 weeks and maybe jumpstart it with 25-40mg d-bol(ED), for the first 4 weeks

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 10:07 AM

To pull off an extra weight at the end. I can tell I have lost weight as is, but I want to pull off a few extra pounds right at the end. I still eat high protein meals.

The test e and c at 500 mg breaks down a lot faster doesn't it? Which would require more than 2 injections a week? They guy I was working left moved and was much more experience. He probably should have started on something more along these lines.

**Born Threat** · 11-28-2005, 10:15 AM

so, you've actually lost weight from the cycle?

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 10:18 AM

Just fat. I have put on about 14 pound, but my stomach is a lot flatter. I am sure it is because of the extra mass and energy it takes to maintain. Strength and mass have both gone up. I guess I should have said body fat went done, but weight went up.

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 10:19 AM

test e or c at 500mg(EW), for 12 weeks and maybe jumpstart it with 25-40mg d-bol(ED), for the first 4 weeks

I can find all of this, but there are 5-6 d-bol. What does the ED stand for? I hadn't looked at orals.

**Born Threat** · 11-28-2005, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by TxPolo2

test e or c at 500mg(EW), for 12 weeks and maybe jumpstart it with 25-40mg d-bol(ED), for the first 4 weeks

I can find all of this, but there are 5-6 d-bol. What does the ED stand for? I hadn't looked at orals.

everyday

**ODC0717** · 11-28-2005, 10:33 AM

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle3.php

Here's what is reccommended for a novice first cycle. I would go down the list as you get more advanced with cycles. No need to bombard your system with more gear then is needed to grow IMO. I hope you're taking some anti-progestin with deca , B6 or bromo works wonders for that.

Originally Posted by TxPolo2

I am on week 8, I have been I have moved up to 400 mg Deca and 500 Suston 250, divided into two injections per week to finish. I was going to start clen this last month and finish off with clomid once I am done. I have seen some decent gains thus far, but I read deca really starts kicking in around week 5. This is my first stab at this.

IF you had done your research correctly then you would have realized that sust NEEDS to be shot ED if not EOD. 2x weekly injections are fine if you're running cyp or enth, but not sust IMO. Also you would have realized that you should be running deca for at least 10 weeks, some say 12, but I feel that 10 is the minimum.

If you had to up the dosage I would be willing to bet that your diet is off. The amount of gear you use dosen't matter if you are not eating enough calories. Deca is VERY calorically dependant, meaning you will not grow unless you're consuming enough calories.

Go to the kitchen and eat some food. If you don't know what kind of food to eat you should post your diet in the diet forums and I would also say post your workout too so we can see if it's up to par also.

It seems to me that you really rushed into the cycle and DID NOT do all your research before hand. It's aparent by the questions you ask and the AAS you decided to use for your first cycle.

Also, you should've held off on the deca until your second cycle. What if you get some gyno? You won't know if it's from the deca releasing progestin or if it's from the test aromatizing into estrogen.

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 10:50 AM

I realized that after I sent it.

**TxPolo2** · 11-28-2005, 10:56 AM

I saved that and will do some double checking. I had actually consulted with a guy who has turned out to know less than I did. I however, I have arleady started and don't want to stop or switch this late in the game, but will look fot he stuff you outlined and I will try that next time. Thanks for the help. Now what to do with all of the deca and sust 250 I have left?