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    few questions for the pro's

    I'm doing first cycle including 600 mg eq, 750 mg of test e, and 500 of sus 250. First question is how much, and what anti-e's to take. 2nd question is with eating alot of protein and some carbs and good workouts what should i expect to gain? Just a ballpark figure. i am 6'1 170 work out 6 times a week. 10 week cycle last 5 weeks thinking of adding in winny. your thoughts and comments would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance for your time.

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    ur not much into reserach are you
    first TEST E and SUS are both test SO PICK ONE BUT no need for both
    first off u dont need 3 compounds on ur first cycle
    your asking of what you think u will gain.. well 15lbs of solid lean muscle would be FANTASTIC but... your not READY FOR AAS your stats say u are way to far from ur genetic peak and you will retain very little of what you achieve on cycle.

    regardless of what i just told you .. ur prolly going to do it anyways so lets get a few things clear... first TEST is TEST u dont need all those different kinds. DONT USE WIN u dont need it. JUST run TEST ONLY for 12 weeks at 500mg/wk which means 2 shots of sus e3day should be FINE

    keep nolva on hand and make sure u know how to do proper PCT


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    so running both will do nothing extra for me(test)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat1980
    so running both will do nothing extra for me(test)
    well its EXTREMELY ASSANINE to run that much test for a first timer.
    and it will do extra but the sides may not warrant the gains from it

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat1980
    I'm doing first cycle including 600 mg eq, 750 mg of test e, and 500 of sus 250. First question is how much, and what anti-e's to take. 2nd question is with eating alot of protein and some carbs and good workouts what should i expect to gain? Just a ballpark figure. i am 6'1 170 work out 6 times a week. 10 week cycle last 5 weeks thinking of adding in winny. your thoughts and comments would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance for your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    well its EXTREMELY ASSANINE to run that much test for a first timer.
    and it will do extra but the sides may not warrant the gains from it
    eXACLTY, TRADE SUST FOR SOMETHING TO KICKSTART TEST-E WITH.ha, forgot to hit the caps lock off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGuns101
    eXACLTY, TRADE SUST FOR SOMETHING TO KICKSTART TEST-E WITH.
    how about he sells off his AAS for food which will benefit him more than STEROIDS EVER COULD.. people just dont understand that food is what makes you grow and aas is wat aids your DIET

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    thanks for your replies. i do understand food makes u grow. but i'm a hard gainer. i eat alot 5 eggs in morning and meat for lunch and dinner (steak lean hamburger meat, tuna, salmon , chicken. mix in protein bars in between ,pb, oatmeal etc. just don't gain weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat1980
    thanks for your replies. i do understand food makes u grow. but i'm a hard gainer. i eat alot 5 eggs in morning and meat for lunch and dinner (steak lean hamburger meat, tuna, salmon , chicken. mix in protein bars in between ,pb, oatmeal etc. just don't gain weight.
    you need 3 protien shakes a day, and meals tuna ect between breakfast and lunch, where are your complex carbs during the day???Pasta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat1980
    thanks for your replies. i do understand food makes u grow. but i'm a hard gainer. i eat alot 5 eggs in morning and meat for lunch and dinner (steak lean hamburger meat, tuna, salmon , chicken. mix in protein bars in between ,pb, oatmeal etc. just don't gain weight.
    LoL
    goto Fitday.com and log everytihng you eat
    I PROMISE you are NOT EATING AS MUCH as you think you are..
    5eggs?
    BRO i eat 7 times a day and all my meals are a min of 75gPro and either 35gFat or 60gCarbs

    like my breakfast
    4 glasses of milk 2 scoops of whey 3 tbls of pb

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    8 raw eggs 2 glasses of milk and 2 scoops of whey

    next meal HUGE BOWL of WHOLE WHEAT PASTA 9oz CHKN BREAST and 1cup of regu pasta sauce.. this is by 11:00am goes on and on like that

    PLUS ur PWO nutrtion is probably lacking a good carb like Dextrose/Sucrose and addaquate PWO MEAL which shud fallow 1hr after pwo shake so go to diet section and LEARN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    how about he sells off his AAS for food which will benefit him more than STEROIDS EVER COULD.. people just dont understand that food is what makes you grow and aas is wat aids your DIET
    true, everyone should wait until they hit genentic peak, I trained until 30 yrs. old and couldnt gain no more, and with a solid nat. base, when I cycle the gains are incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGuns101
    true, everyone should wait until they hit genentic peak, I trained until 30 yrs. old and couldnt gain no more, and with a solid nat. base, when I cycle the gains are incredible.
    Must be NICE to get incredible gains ON CYCLE ><

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    you guys r making me feel stupid but i guess i am when it comes to roids. so ty. but one other thing please don't laugh . can u explain pct to me. ty i know your laughing right now

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    taiboxa and big gunz thanks for your helpfull insight

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat1980
    you guys r making me feel stupid but i guess i am when it comes to roids. so ty. but one other thing please don't laugh . can u explain pct to me. ty i know your laughing right now
    there are MANY different kinds of pct which are dependent on the compounds used and duration of cycle.. check out the education forums and read there all ur answers will be and then some.. so good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    Must be NICE to get incredible gains ON CYCLE ><
    Yes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGuns101
    Yes it is.
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