SHORT fast acting cycle vs longer cycle comparing reconvery

im looking to do a cycle that would give me good results and recover the fastest.

now this will be my 3rd cycle. coming off my previous cycles was horrible
i ran test with other compounds and proper pct , and still found my natural test recovery and libido to take about 2 months +

i have couple options for my next cycle, im wanting to gain very lean keepable mass and have that "hard" look. im aware diet has allot to do with it , rest asure ill be eating right.
so if i ran the following compounds for 6 weeks.
A)
nolvadex at 20 mg eod OR letro at .25mg ed
test syspension 50 mg 2 x per day
tren acetate 75 mg ed
dbol 30 mg ed or (var 40 mg + winni 25 mg 2 x per day)
most injections should be site injections .
followed with proper pct.

how does this look ?

B)
nolvadex or letro
1-12prop 100 mg ed
1-12tren 75-100 mg ed pending on the blend ( blend might be a 100/100)
1-4 dbol 30 mg ed
1-12 winni + var ???( i want to use the winni for the fact that it helps with the progesteron and gyno and for the syngenic effects however i wanna run the lowest possible ammount due to the harshness on lipids and my joints)

there is a possibility that ill only run 50 mg prop and 50 mg tren ed , how will this affect the cycle.
also does anyone know wat tren A's detection time is ?

this is mainly for this football off season.

You are way too young to be using steroids.

tren will shut you down hard no matter what

you're going WAAAAAY overboard w/ this bro.....letro at 2.5mg/day and 20mg/day of nolva???? maybe if you're getting rid of existing gyno.......just run a normal cycle but run HCG the whole way through it

woops sorry , its not sapposed to be 2.5 mg , its apposed to be .25 mg of letro or 20 mg of novadex. also i didnt state how old i was. i believe im super close to my bodies potential. i work out super friggin hard , perfect diet with enough calories and i barely gain weight.

[QUOTE=flexdemon] i didnt state how old i was.QUOTE]

thats what i was thinking!?

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Originally Posted by Tyrone_Biggums

You are way too young to be using steroids.

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How could ya tell??

I think 6 weeks are a little too short. And I wouldn`t bother using susp, 2xday is a waste of time IMO. And I would drop the dbol, Just gets you bloated. I would tryed this:
1-12 prop at 75-100mg a day
1-10 tren a at 50-75mg a day
5-12 var at 25-40mg a day

Doses depending of your previous doses.
Followed by proper pct, Hcg during cycle,

thanks for the advice , but i really dont wanna run another LONg cycle, well not for now. the way i seen it is , well i can start with a short cycle and keep track of my gains, if they are low then i can just continue on for another 6 weeks .
would it be a waist to run winni with the var ? the var at 40 mg and 25 mg of winni ? this is my major question , i hope some one can answere it for me. this is to combat some of the trens side effects like prolactin ect

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Originally Posted by flexdemon

thanks for the advice , but i really dont wanna run another LONg cycle, well not for now. the way i seen it is , well i can start with a short cycle and keep track of my gains, if they are low then i can just continue on for another 6 weeks .
would it be a waist to run winni with the var ? the var at 40 mg and 25 mg of winni ? this is my major question , i hope some one can answere it for me. this is to combat some of the trens side effects like prolactin ect

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Do it. Maybe try 50mg a day of win?

well i think 50 mg might work, but i think i could get away with less , i just dont wanna raise my lipids to much along with my poor tendons and ligamnets getting effected.

No need to run the winny & var with the test & tren...I'd run it at the end to get a little harder look b4 PCT I don't think 25mg winny is enough though...oh, and keep some test in there....short half-life type so you don't have to wait too long to get PCT going

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Originally Posted by flexdemon

woops sorry , its not sapposed to be 2.5 mg , its apposed to be .25 mg of letro or 20 mg of novadex. also i didnt state how old i was. i believe im super close to my bodies potential. i work out super friggin hard , perfect diet with enough calories and i barely gain weight.

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what r ur stats?....

im 5'11 210 lower then 12 % bf 21 years old. been lifting for 5 years on and off

whats ur cycle history?

first cycle was 400 mg test per week(12) with 30 mg dbol ed for (4)
2nd cycle was 700 mg prop per week(12) with 75 mg anadrol ed (4) with 40 mf var for 6

okay well, its been a while and im thinkin about running prop tren winni for 6 weeks. any advice