12-11-2005, 05:55 AM #1Junior Member
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I dont believe this cycle is real!!
ok im not gonna name names here, but there is a pro training in our gym , and the owner of the gym (who is the gym steroid supplier as well) tells us that this pro did a cycle for a contest once , personallly i dont believe him, but just foir the record here is the cycle:
week1-20: 700 mg primobolan
week1-20: 12 iu of GH Ed
week1-20: 1200 mg of equipoise
week1-20: 4000 mg of test enanthate
week1-11: 800 mg of deca
week1-4: 300 mg of anadrol Ed
week5-10: 200 mg of dbal Ed
week12-20: 150 mg of tren A Ed
week14-20: 200 mg of winny Ed
Could this be possible??
12-11-2005, 05:59 AM #2
possible yes with out a doubt
but that is a lot of gear i woulden't like to run all that dam
12-11-2005, 05:59 AM #3
Yes it sounds possable for a 'pro'
12-11-2005, 06:15 AM #4
12-11-2005, 06:21 AM #5
12-11-2005, 08:11 AM #6
I agree with gsxx on the gh/slin/ igf angle but that cycle is entirely possible. I've done cycles like that plenty of times with the exception of the back to back dbol / a bomb. If anything kickstart with one, and kick finish with the other. But yeah it is very possible especially if he is a pro.
12-11-2005, 08:30 AM #7Anabolic Member
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Sounds like it hurts. Anything is possible though. That just seems like overkill to me.
12-11-2005, 08:35 AM #8
Depends on your objectives my friend.
12-11-2005, 08:38 AM #9
ive seen worse
12-11-2005, 08:40 AM #10
not to sure about running both orals at the same time......but the rest yeh no probs infact abit tame to some i know
12-11-2005, 08:42 AM #11Anabolic Member
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Where's the SERM's and AI's? Are you selling that this cat took all that gear and didn't suffer from gyno or anything?
12-11-2005, 08:43 AM #12
Actually the orals were back to back Marcus, but that's even worse in my book. Either way it's too toxic. And tame yes, by many a standards in the hardcore arena.
12-11-2005, 08:45 AM #13Originally Posted by ODC0717
I'm sure if he was a pro, he had proper PCT. The original poster just didnt bother to post it I would assume.
12-11-2005, 08:46 AM #14Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
Pro will not need pct they just dont come off.
As for the orals. i dont care who you are you would have liver problems.
12-11-2005, 08:49 AM #15
12-11-2005, 08:51 AM #16
Post cycle test 500mg
12-11-2005, 08:51 AM #17Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by gsxxr
Hey, let's trade health and longevity for "goals"...sounds pretty irresponsible to me...
12-11-2005, 08:51 AM #18
Bro im just fu--king with you.
12-11-2005, 08:54 AM #19Anabolic Member
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12-11-2005, 08:54 AM #20Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
have your ever tried receptor blasting the Paul Borreson way? normaly 3-4 weeks at a time at around 3-5grams a week? (top level 5-8 grams), amazing to try
12-11-2005, 08:58 AM #21Originally Posted by gsxxr
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12-11-2005, 09:01 AM #23Originally Posted by marcus300
No I haven't actually. I know a few European pros that do it. If you have a write up on it I'd love to see it. I'll send you a PM with my Hushmail address. Thanks.
12-11-2005, 09:08 AM #24Originally Posted by goose4
To get to a certain HUGE freaky stature, I've seen many a pros on 5-8 grams a week easy. I've seen more too. With GH/slin/igf1/t3 etc the protocol seems to be get HUGE then hold what you have with the latter combo.
Edit: latter combo would still entail test usage of course, maybe not as high as "growing phase".
12-11-2005, 09:08 AM #25Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
ive got a video of the Paul Borreson and Ian Harrison taking about the subject, its totaly amazing, ive tried it and its true it builds huge men, Dorian use to do alot of it, in alot of cases you can put on 1lb a day, will post it tomorrow when i have most time
12-11-2005, 09:12 AM #26
Thanks my brother.
12-11-2005, 09:17 AM #27Banned
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An interview with paul,touches briefly on his cycle ideas.Marcus that is a great video.
NM: First, Paul, how are you feeling? I heard that you suffered an accident recently.
PB: Yes, I took a nasty fall and was laid up for four-and-a-half months. It required major surgery. For a long time, I was in a full body brace. While in the hospital, I went down to 170 pounds! I recovered quickly but, of course, I was receiving glutamine, Deca , and growth hormone ! It was no problem getting it into the hospital. Since then, I've entered some area contests and won, but my goal is to come back from having a broken back and win the Nationals.
NM: Any ********** substances that you've been experimenting with?
PB: Whenever there's anything new, I'll try it! You know of the new oils used to inflate a muscle, like Synthol? Well, I've put together a combination of oils in my lab that contains nandrolone , benzyl alcohol, and silica gel. It provides a permanent growth due to the fact that the silica coats the muscle fibers. But it also gives you 300 milligrams of gear per milliliter. It's really amazing, but it can be overdone, as in the case of Ernie Taylor. Have you seen his triceps?
NM: Of course. They're so freaky, they look "fake."
PB: They don't look right. That's an example of an overdone local effect. As far as anything else new, I've been experimenting with prostaglandins since '95. When I won the Northwest Championship, I had six milliliters of Cavajet, which is something that's used to get an erection. But I didn't need it there, so I put it in my arms and shoulders! I've been working with people using Prostaglandins before going to bed at night, and we've seen phenomenal results. They can also be used to provide "local" enlargement. I use it to smooth out my symmetry.
NM: Were there any side effects?
PB: I don't feel that the claims of bad side effects are all that genuine. If you look at the risks and side effects of pharmacology as a whole, prostaglandins fall pretty low down on the list.
NM: What's the typical drug regime of some of the people you coach?
PB: I'm coaching people who use two thousand milligrams of gear each day. They're very big. If you're going to take that level of anabolics, I believe in very short courses—thirty days, at the most, before your body realizes what happened. I'm a firm believer that receptor sites up-regulate. When you do about 5000 milligrams a week, they respond unbelievably. People are going up a pound a day for 18 days straight.
NM: So by using super-physiologic dosages and keeping cycles short, you won't need to increase the dosages with each successive cycle?
PB: You should need less! It's like training. A newcomer does 16 sets and makes gains. The more advanced someone is, the less amount of sets they need to do. I only do about four or five sets. I'm helping Ian Harrison prepare for the Arnold, and he needs even fewer sets per workout.
NM: How long of a wait do you recommend before starting another course?
PB: At least 15 days, which comes to 21 days after your last shot. But if you wait too much longer than three weeks, you're going backwards in your progress. You'll spend time "making up" for what you've lost, even if you use anti-catabolics.
NM: Tell me a little about your company. How did it get started?
PB: A few years back, my wife and I started a company called Chemical Nutrition. Unfortunately, we took on a partner of dubious integrity. It got so bad that he threatened to put me in a body bag! I ended that relationship and started Biohazard. We've been growing very quickly in the UK, and I'm glad to say that my ex-partner's business is declining badly. I don't follow a business "strategy." I focus on culture. I want to make the best products. I won't bullshit anyone or let anyone work for me who isn't honest. I have an MBA degree, and my business philosophy is not to build an empire; rather, we want to build many castles. I want to make money, but I have to look at myself in the mirror every day. I have to respect what I see.
NM: What is the most unique Biohazard product?
PB: We have something called Ravenger 5, which is a special grade of protein powder. It has the exact amino acid make-up, in proprietary order, of human muscle—the only product of its kind. It took a lot of work getting the proper ratios required. We finally came up with a combination of whey, egg albumin, soy isolate, and wheat gluten. The glutamine is not a free form because protein works best in a natural peptide chain. I'm not a big fan of aminos in free form.
NM: You've been outspoken in the past about professional bodybuilders. You made some statements recently concerning Paul Dillett...
PB: I have nothing personal against him. He doesn't train all that hard. He's very lazy. I don't like it when bodybuilders rely on massive amounts of gear and don't train correctly or look after their health. Everyone I work with uses high androgens, and we take certain precautions. I have them all on glycerin. It reduces water and blood pressure. It's an indigestible carb, which causes water to be drawn from the surrounding tissues like the skin. It also increases vascularity.
NM: What is your current stack?
PB: For the first ten days, I take 1000 mg of Sustanon a day. Days 11 to 20, I take 800 mg of Deca, 400 mg of Primobolan , and 600 mg of test propionate a day. Days 21 to 30, I do 400 mg of propionate, 200 mg of Winstrol , and four of my Triple X capsules, which are a homemade combination of Dinatropinol, T3, and oral insulin . I also take a 30-IU shot of insulin every time I eat a meal.
NM: Gee, is that all?
PB: That's what it takes. I want to make the most massive gains possible. I've gained 94 pounds in the last five months. Oh, I almost forgot—I also use growth hormone four days at a time, which is the way a child produces it, in four-day spurts. It doesn't work as well if you stay on it all the time. Consistent use suppresses your natural GH secretion, plus you build up a tolerance to its effects. I use 12 IUs of GH each day I use it.
NM: No cycling down the dosages of the steroid stack?
PB: No, I just stop. I don't feel that there's much benefit from cycling down. By distancing the shots and the half-life of the drugs, a "cycle down" occurs naturally. I want to clean out as soon as possible. When people stick in low levels of gear in order to "bridge," they're not clearing anything.
NM: Any anti-estrogens?
PB: Aminoglutathiamide is terrific when used the last ten days before a show. It makes you freaky hard. It's a pretty risky drug, however. The ACTH [Adrenal Corticol Tropic Hormone] kickback can create a bigger problem than what you started with. It's a gamble. I use Tamoxifen , 40 mg a day before bed, if I start to get too puffy.
NM: I noticed that you don't use any orals.
PB: For what I use, it wouldn't be healthy. I would hate to take 2,000 mg of 2-mg Anavar tablets!
NM: Definitely not practical. No veterinarian steroids ?
PB: No. One thing I've learned from my studies in pharmacology is that mammalian physiology may be similar, but there are species differences. A veterinarian drug is developed through veterinarian research by companies that design it for animals. There aren't any studies of their effectiveness in humans. You need much higher doses than the proper human equivalent. A dog's testosterone would work in a human, just not as effectively. Since I can't control what's compatible and what isn't, I won't use them.
NM: Is there really any way of detecting counterfeits?
PB: It's so easy to fake the ampoules and boxes. Whenever you see an exposé of what is fake and how a "real" steroid should look, the counterfeiters just copy the "real" one. There are a few tricks. For example, Primo shouldn't fall out when you turn the box upside down.
NM: Unless the dealer has pulled the vial out a few times.
PB: That's a good point. In that case, it could be real, but you'd think it was fake. There's just no way of knowing. Some guys over here copied the pink pentagon Thai D-bol and put 5 mg of clenbuterol in them.
NM: Five milligrams?! My God, did anyone die?
PB: There were nine reported deaths. I took one, and went into the hospital.
NM: What's your present association with Dorian Yates?
PB: I take a phone call from Dorian every couple of weeks about technical matters. He'll usually have me come down to his house and ask me about various drugs. I showed him how to use growth hormone and IGF. I helped him with his DNP usage for his last Olympia show. I can honestly say that DNP can produce a condition that's unbelievable, but you've got to get it right! I find it horrendous. My temperature went up to 103 degrees. I was sick, and it felt like I was on fire.
NM: So in the future, will you just stick to using clen ?
PB: No, I'd still use the DNP. I'll just suffer. It can make you lose five pounds of fat in a week. My waist is 31 inches. That's also one benefit of being in the hospital. I had to have two ribs removed, which made my waist slimmer. Cher had a similar surgical procedure done on her to produce a longer torso look. I love it!
NM: What is the best steroid, in your opinion?
PB: If I had to recommend just one, I'd have to say that Deca has the best risk to benefit ratio. But my absolute favorite drug is Primobolan.
NM: I love Primo, too. People think it's weak because it doesn't produce water weight. Deca, on the other hand, bloats me as much as straight testosterone.
PB: You're telling me! Deca is very bloating. Not all tests cause as much water retention. But some people seem to go for that bloat, don't they? They equate it with more size.
NM: What drugs don't you like?
PB: I don't like testosterone cypionate . It's a very raw drug. It also makes you depressed. Anadrol is a shit drug. The fact that it's a 50-mg tablet tells you how weak it is.
NM: I've often made that same point, but it's amazing how many people don't "get" it. The low-dosed drugs, like Winstrol, build the most muscle.
PB: Winstrol is a very potent tissue-building drug in the truest sense! As far as effectiveness in building muscle, 50 mg of Winny tabs will blow 50 mg of Anadrol right out of the water!
NM: Thank you! It's nice to know I'm not alone in that evaluation.
PB: It's so obvious. Anadrol is designed to correct anemia. It builds red blood cells. It does not build muscle. It may help at the end of a course to "fill up" on blood, which may help you to hold on to the gained weight. It's a poor man's EPO [erythropoietin]. If I wanted to make a lot of money, I'd design a drug and call it Super-bol 5,000,000! Everyone will think it's really strong!
People have so much of this stuff wrong. They think that Primo's weak, when it's actually very strong. They say that Anadrol is powerful, when it's actually very weak. Cypionate is more popular than enanthate , but the enanthate is terrific and cyp is crap. They draw conclusions without really understanding basic pharmacology. People should be using the finer, sophisticated drugs like Primo and Winstrol, not cypionates and the veterinarian products. It's so absurd!
NM: Does it make sense not to stack too many different steroids?
PB: All steroids compete with each other. That's why I say to take Sus for ten days, then Deca for ten days, and so on. Proviron is thought to be an anti-estrogen, but it's really an anti-androgen. Clomid is an underrated anti-estrogen.
NM: How does Clomid differ from Cyclofenil ?
PB: Cyclofenil is a weak estrogen. Even if it competes for estrogen sites, some might get through. Clomid removes the estrogen, so it's much more effective.
NM: Who's the most outrageous steroid abuser you've ever known?
PB: I'd love to say, but I can't.
NM: You don't have to name names.
PB: Okay, the craziest thing that I've ever seen was done by a British pro. He takes a 100-ml bottle and sticks whatever he can get into it, no matter what. Deca, cyp, Equipoise , anything! He'll then take a five-ml shot of that every three hours.
PB: He'll also put in ten mg of propionate every day into specific body parts. He doesn't consider that a part of his stack because it's "locating." He does a total of at least 60 shots a day.
NM: That's mind-boggling. How does he look?
PB: Pretty ****ing awesome!
NM: No doubt! Paul, are there any last comments that you'd like to make?
PB: I just want to be able to provide accurate information and sell products that I know are effective. My motto is, "Ignorance kills—let's kill ignorance." I honestly believe that if we give the people the right information, we'll build this sport. There are a lot of assholes with too much power in our sport!
NM: I agree. We're doing what we can on this end. I hope that you'll be able to be a regular contributor to Testosterone. Your expertise is invaluable, and I'm sure that our readers will enjoy what you have to say.
PB: I'd love to write for you guys, and providing honest information to people who care is the right reason for doing so.
NM: Paul, I know that there's still so much we could talk about. Let's do this again sometime.
PB: That'd be great.
12-11-2005, 09:19 AM #28Associate Member
Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
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12-11-2005, 09:27 AM #29
12-11-2005, 09:35 AM #30
The oral doses are a tad high,and I wouldn't run them back to back like that.But the rest of the cycle is very believable.To newbies reading it,they might not comprehend it,but to those that have ran high dose cycles you'd know.
12-11-2005, 09:36 AM #31Originally Posted by goose4
12-11-2005, 09:38 AM #32
In this interview how come he keeps on saying animal steriods is different then human grade, 1 gram of prop has the same chemical structure for human and animal. After reading that I think this guys is full of shit. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.
12-11-2005, 09:40 AM #33Originally Posted by marcus300
Hah. I got my calender in front of me right now bro.
12-11-2005, 09:43 AM #34Originally Posted by Sta11ion
his theory does have a place in bodybuilding, its only for the very advance, Dorian loved it,,,,
12-11-2005, 09:46 AM #35
Ignore the haters marcus.
12-11-2005, 09:49 AM #36Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
12-11-2005, 09:56 AM #37Originally Posted by goose4
can imagine 1000 ed
12-11-2005, 10:01 AM #38Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
I'll be in touch marcus to fine tune the details when the time comes.
12-11-2005, 10:01 AM #39Originally Posted by goose4
12-11-2005, 10:03 AM #40
Quate from him"No. One thing I've learned from my studies in pharmacology is that mammalian physiology may be similar, but there are species differences. A veterinarian drug is developed through veterinarian research by companies that design it for animals. There aren't any studies of their effectiveness in humans. You need much higher doses than the proper human equivalent. A dog's testosterone would work in a human, just not as effectively. Since I can't control what's compatible and what isn't, I won't use them."
What I am saying is that prop, ena or winstrol have the same chemical structure for human consumption or animal consumption. Because he is saying its not l question his knowledge but unless I am wrong about this then I end my rap.
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