winny or var during PCT

[Montgomery]

Hey bro's I've heard that running winny and/or anavar during PCT drastically increases how much of the gains you keep. However I'm wondering how hard this is on natty test recovery. Would running either of these two compounds during PCT have a negative effect on your recovery?

Thanks in advance.

Montgomery

[Mesomorphyl]

Will keep you shut down... it wont hurt recovery... it prevents it. The reason gains are keeped better is you are still "ON" if you are taking these.

[Booz]

runnin winny or var will just keep you shut down mate,you can take them up to the start of pct but not durin!!

[EastCoaster]

Will keep you shut down... it wont hurt recovery... it prevents it. The reason gains are keeped better is you are still "ON" if you are taking these.

exactly... being off is being off.

[Montgomery]

that's what I thought. Thanks bro's. Another quick question. I'm currently in week 4 of a 65mg prop ED and 50mg eq ED and 50mg var ED cycle. I was thinking of running this for 12 weeks plus, depending on how I'm doing with it by then. I then plan to replace the eq with winny at 40mg ED and run those three compounds for another 4 or 5 weeks. At the end of all this, I'm doing 100mg clomid ED and 40mg nolva ED for 4 weeks, and I've goot 4500iu of HCG on hand if my nuts shrink. Assuming I run the nolva and clomid as aforementioned, would you experts say my natty test will be back in business by the end of the 4th week of PCT?

Thanks again bro's,

Montgomery

[Montgomery]

bump

[danny1966]

what about proviron , dont people use it to bridge as it does not affect nat test

[G-1000]

what about proviron, dont people use it to bridge as it does not affect nat test

if your going to try and bridge dont. your better off just running the cycle and changing it up. keep test as the base and change the others

[Pinnacle]

Exogenous AAS quickly lower endogenous production of androgen.Here is an example of 15mg of oxandrolone(which is supposed to be mildly suppressive) taken for five days.There was already significant suppression.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/vol84/issue8/images/medium/eg0895923003.gif

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705

Now the OX was taken at 2100h in this study so maybe taking the steroid in the morning will circumvent the suppression?Well,consider the fact that LH in fact pulses every 2 hours.

http://www.endotext.org/male/male5/images/fig2.gif

"During adulthood, gonadotropins are secreted in a pulsatile fashion. In the adult male, LH is secreted in pulses approximately every 2 hours (Fig. 2A) (7). However, considerable variability is observed in LH pulse patterns and there is a wide range of testosterone secretory patterns."
http://www.endotext.org/male/male5/maleframe5.htm

[powerliftmike]

Exogenous AAS quickly lower endogenous production of androgen.Here is an example of 15mg of oxandrolone(which is supposed to be mildly suppressive) taken for five days.There was already significant suppression.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/vol84/issue8/images/medium/eg0895923003.gif

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705

Now the OX was taken at 2100h in this study so maybe taking the steroid in the morning will circumvent the suppression?Well,consider the fact that LH in fact pulses every 2 hours.

http://www.endotext.org/male/male5/images/fig2.gif

"During adulthood, gonadotropins are secreted in a pulsatile fashion. In the adult male, LH is secreted in pulses approximately every 2 hours (Fig. 2A) (7). However, considerable variability is observed in LH pulse patterns and there is a wide range of testosterone secretory patterns."
http://www.endotext.org/male/male5/maleframe5.htm

excellent pinn. the definention of pct is post cycle therapy. if you are running an AAS this is not post cycle, it is in cycle. haha

[powerliftmike]

what about proviron, dont people use it to bridge as it does not affect nat test

tho proviron has no anabolic effect and will not preserve gains, it might preserve your erections...