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i forget the signs of getting bitch tits...i remember in my stupid days i took just a d-bol only cycle..this was along time ago and my nipples eneded up getting hard and staying hard but nothin was wrong...and i couldn;t getr my hands on any nolvadex..so i decided to take the cycle anyways..if i start experiencing anything should i get off right away??
puffy nips and they will itch as well.
if i notice this and i don;t have nolvadex should i get off right away
Lumps, sore nips, sensitive nips, burning or itching.... some Nolv and/or Liquidex/Armidex will knock it right out.
NO If you get off it does not mean it will stop.estrogen will still be looking for a home to bind to.you need nolva or adex.good luck bro.Quote:
Originally posted by juicy2000
if i notice this and i don;t have nolvadex should i get off right away
First off, I saw you posted a bunch of posts and I have to say--you gotta learrn to write a better subject line Bro'! I won't comment on the other four I saw just browsing the Steroids forum, but "What are the signs of Gyno" would make a far better subject line than "knowing the signs."Quote:
Originally posted by juicy2000
if i notice this and i don;t have nolvadex should i get off right away
By the way--you could have found all the gyno info you wanted by doing a search.
OK, enough of the castigation (no, that's not the same as castration!), on to the question.
DO NOT EVER START A CYCLE WITHOUT AN ANTI-ESTROGEN ON HAND, EVER!
An I clear on that point?
Stopping your cycle won't fix the problem. Why?
You will still have estrogen in your body, so the tit-building continues.
You will still have steroids in your body for the next 2-3 weeks that will convert to estrogen, so the tit-building continues.
After all the steroids are metabolized your testosterone will be near zero and your body's natural estrogen levels will be high (yes, your body does produce some estrogen), which also means that tit-building will continue.
Stopping the steroids will not stop gyno. Anti-estrogens stop gyno.
If you don't take an aromatase inhibitor during your cycle like Arimidex or Proviron ALWAYS have some Nolvadex on hand. I recommend havvein gno less than 60 x 20mg tabs before you start any cycle.
IMO, only a fool would start a cycle with no anti-e's on hand.
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Q: What is Nolvadex / Arimidex / Liquidex / Proviron? How do I prevent gyno / bitch tits?
A: Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate), Arimidex / Liquidex (anastrozole) and Proviron (mesterlone) all act as anti-estrogens (sometimes called anti-e’s).
Estrogen is naturally found in the male body in small amounts, however, when taking certain steroids, an excess of estrogen can be created through a process called aromitization. This abnormally large concentration of estrogen can cause some undesirable side effects, such as enlargement of the breasts (commonly referred to as “gyno” or “bitch tits”), female pattern fat distribution and water retention. (Gyno can also be caused by high concentrations of estrogen relative the your body’s level of testosterone, so gyno can be problem all the way through the end of Clomid therapy.)
Not all people who use steroids experience any estrogen related problems. Many people have taken many cycles at high dosages without using any anti-estrogens and have reported that they experienced no symptoms of gyno. Other people can take a small dose of steroids for one cycle and develop noticeable enlargement of the breast.
Estrogen can be blocked in two ways: you can block it from aromatizing, or you can block it from binding to the estrogen receptors in the body.
Nolvadex prevents estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors in the body. Nolvadex is generally taken if and when symptoms of gyno first appear. The typical dosage is 80mg the first day, 40mg every day until the symptoms subside and 20mg a day through the end of Clomid therapy.
Arimidex, Liquidex and Proviron all function as aromatase inhibitors and work by blocking estrogen from forming. Most body builders prefer to block the estrogen from forming, because in addition to preventing gyno, it also decreases water retention and keeps the body looking harder. Typical dosages for Arimidex are 0.25 mg a day to 0.5mg a day, with 0.25mg a day being average. Proviron is typically taken at a dosage of 50mg a day.
ALWAYS have an anti-estrogen on hand when you take steroids! Tits look great--but not on men! Even if you take an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex or Proviron, you should keep some Nolvadex on hand just in case the dose you are taking is too low and you start to see symptoms of gyno appear.