2004 handbook?? what the?

**Machdiesel** · 12-14-2005, 07:21 PM

they reccomend as a first/mass cycle to do deca n dbol , NO TEST!! why is this???

**Machdiesel** · 12-14-2005, 07:47 PM

no thoughts????

**Wildcatbadass** · 12-14-2005, 08:00 PM

2004... maybe thats why in itself

**testosterona** · 12-14-2005, 08:04 PM

people have different opinions on different cycles. that's why

**Got Insulin?** · 12-14-2005, 08:15 PM

building the perfect beast is in love with deca without test. ive noticed this in a few research areas.

**Machdiesel** · 12-14-2005, 08:16 PM

yea i downloaded the beast also... weird

**Machdiesel** · 12-14-2005, 08:24 PM

well my main reason for asking this was i am going to run test e for 12 weeks, would it be beneficial to jump start it with 4 weeks of d-bol, n is this ok for my first cycle

**Got Insulin?** · 12-14-2005, 08:30 PM

nah i wouldnt fool with the d bol ur first cycle. your gains off test alone will be enough trust me.

**Smiley619** · 12-14-2005, 09:23 PM

test for your first one would be fine but you will find a lot of test w/dbol jump starts for the first around here.

**madflabby** · 12-14-2005, 09:27 PM

I noticed that too, I did enjoy the FINA(tren ) step by step guide.

Did you notice in BEAST that he recommends 4 week cyccles BIG TIME? I've always been taught to stick with 10-12 weekers.