What to do. Time to get swole.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 01:42 AM

What a waste.

**tranzit** · 12-15-2005, 02:05 AM

sounds like a well thought out cycle. very lean muscle that is gonna stick without much bloating.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:09 AM

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**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Here are two proposed cycles that I have Finally put together. one is 20wks and the other 16. Contemplating on which to do, #1 should make harder leaner gains, #2 would be more mass IMO. Any suggestions or comments would help. Thx.

Stats, 5'10 198, 7-8% 4-5 Previous including two or more compounds. Last two runs were at 500mg Test/wk.

#1 – 20wk
1-6 TBOL 50mg/day
1-12 TestE 750mg/wk
1-14 Primo 800-1000mg/wk
1-20 TrenA 75-100mg/day
14-20 Masteron 400mg/wk
14-20 Test Prop 100mg/day
17-20 IGF 80mcg/day
GH 6IU w/slin on and off w/T3 at 12.5-25mcg/day
Aromasin 25mg Start-PCT

#2 – 16wk
1-5 DROL 50mg/day wk1, wk 2+3 75mg, wk 4 100mg, ramp down week 5 to 50mg/day.
1-10 TestE 750mg/wk
1-12 Primo 800-1000mg/wk
6-15 TrenA 75mg/day
12-16 Masteron 400mg/wk
11-16 Test Prop 150mg/EOD
13-16 IGF 80mcg/day
GH 6IU w/slin on and off w/T3 at 12.5-25mcg/day
Aromasin 25mg Start-PCT

HCG+Clomid at end of both.

I think #2 can go either way. Primo, Masteron, and Prop can be used in a nice cutting cycle. Since your BF is low the Masteron will work well for you. The igf and Gh will shred a nice amount of fat off of you (although you are already lean) I have actually been reading that some people use Drol in their cutting cycles.

**Myka** · 12-15-2005, 02:11 AM

Wouldnt 20 wks of tren be pretty harsh?

**tinytower** · 12-15-2005, 02:15 AM

20 weeks sound pretty hard on ur body bro...

**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by NewKid

Wouldnt 20 wks of tren be pretty harsh?

Dude who is the chick in your Avatar>?

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:16 AM

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**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:17 AM

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**tranzit** · 12-15-2005, 02:20 AM

Tren A has a short VERY short half life so the toxicity sp? shouldnt be as bad. Remeber we are not talking about finaplix , ed at 75 will be toxic and 20 weeks is along time, but i would say it would be equal to 7-8 weeks of fina as far as negative sides.

just my thoughts though.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:21 AM

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**Myka** · 12-15-2005, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by tranzit

Tren A has a short VERY short half life so the toxicity sp? shouldnt be as bad. Remeber we are not talking about finaplix , ed at 75 will be toxic and 20 weeks is along time, but i would say it would be equal to 7-8 weeks of fina as far as negative sides.

just my thoughts though.

hmmm...that is the opposite of what I would have learned...I could be wrong...

**tranzit** · 12-15-2005, 02:24 AM

fina is tren E and Tren A if i am not mistaken the ladder being a the longer acting. I could also be wrong. i have used all three at diffrent times and fina beat my ass worse then any of them by far.

**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

If I go with #2 the only thing I'm wondering is if It would be better to run Primo all the way through. Yes, I'm hoping to get some sick lean gains from this run. Just have to wait and see

I would run the primo all the way through if you have the loot.

**tranzit** · 12-15-2005, 02:28 AM

its also 12:30 am and i have had four hours of sleep and 1500mg of omnadren and 350mg of dbol and 600mg of decca this week so i could just be loosing my freakin mind.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:29 AM

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**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Thanks for responses guys, Hopefully tomorrow I'll get more responses with better reasoning behind opinions or ideas. No offense, thx for input but I need to know specifically what needs to be changed cyclewise and why.

BD

Bro why don't you throw the Igf in there a little sooner and then in Pct?

**tranzit** · 12-15-2005, 02:32 AM

ok after futher thought i am retarded,, fina is tren a please kick me in the balls.

**tranzit** · 12-15-2005, 02:33 AM

so im going to say 20 weeks too long.. i wouldnt go longer then 8 weeks. But thats just me.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:35 AM

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**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

haha, I was waiting for someone to bust ur balls on that, glad you caught it.

IGF at the end to take advantage of anabolics, I'll run slin with first 4weeks off cycle and then another cycle of IGF at 100mcg/day.

That sounds right to me. I have not used Igf yet but I have been researching it. I am surrently on Jin, test e, var, eq, and then winnie to top off. also 12.5 mcgs t3

**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

haha, I was waiting for someone to bust ur balls on that, glad you caught it.

IGF at the end to take advantage of anabolics, I'll run slin with first 4weeks off cycle and then another cycle of IGF at 100mcg/day.

Synergy!

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:38 AM

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**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Just came off IGF at 80mcg, saw good fatloss and kept strength, all in all I thought it was a good addition to PCT. Probably lost close to 2-3%BF in 4weeks.

Wow that much>? which brand did ya use?

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 02:40 AM

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**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Omega, I'll try MR next go. Deff wasn't disappointed with his product, just want to have something to compare it to.

I been hearing good things about MR. I hear the service is excellent to!

Well good luck bro. I am gonna get some shut eye.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 11:17 AM

bump for responses.

**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:24 AM

i like cycle number two better. the anadrol will get your strength jacked up the first beginning weeks of the cycle and when u get off u will lose all the water from it but still have a harder look. i like how you ended the test at week 10 because you tend to start to plateau around then. id extend the tren a couple more weeks, probably to like 10. then move up everything else a little bit. id hit the test prop at 100 mg ED instead of 150 EOD. came off of test e, deca , eq, and tren towards the end when i dropped the test, and i ran test prop after everything for about 5 to 6 weeks and it made my gains a lot more hard. i just came off a cycle that lasted 22 weeks. length isnt your concern.

**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:26 AM

i feel running a long ester of test isnt really necessary past 13-15 weeks.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 11:33 AM

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**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:34 AM

tell me how it goes because i inted on running something very similar to #2. except im running tren for longer with the long ester.

**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:34 AM

if you have the money i would run the insulin at the beginning of the cycle also.

**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:35 AM

igf i meant

**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:36 AM

if your sides arent harsh...increase the dosage of tren to 100 mg.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 11:38 AM

haha, you can edit post and put all those in one. Whoring it up

**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:39 AM

oh you can? im not familiar with it lol....i keep coming back reading it over more and more than making more remarks lol..on the drol, why are you pyramiding it?

**FranKieC** · 12-15-2005, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

igf i meant

That's what I said... IGF at beginning and in PCT.

**IBdmfkr** · 12-15-2005, 11:45 AM

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**305GUY** · 12-15-2005, 11:46 AM

Those cycles are to rich for my blood but i would do #2 for sure if i could.

Is this the first time you run aromasin throughout or in PCT?

**Got Insulin?** · 12-15-2005, 11:46 AM

on drol....i think you should hit 100 throughout the whole thing...
but u can go from 75 and bump up to 100. the proper results come from 100 mg. i mean when your buying orals you wont to take the most advantage of them, so thats why i say this.