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10-24-2005, 03:38 AM #1Senior Member
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Tren gains... on Tren-A and Test-P
I'm on my 2nd week of Tren ... entering my third. I'm easily up 10 pounds over my last cycles finishing body weight. I'm not sure where it all is... but it's here. This is my 3rd week of the cycle... where do you guys find the results from Tren really start amounting? I'm on
Tren-A 85mg ED
Test-P 150mg ED
I'll be adding Masteron starting Tuesday at 75mg ED...
Thinking of Adding EQ at 700mg per week also...
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10-24-2005, 04:22 AM #2Originally Posted by TrumanHW
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10-24-2005, 06:47 AM #3Senior Member
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okay, cool.
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10-24-2005, 09:40 AM #4Member
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truman that's a nice cycle you got there. Add the masteron right away I think.
Not sure about the eq only because it can add to the sides of the tren due to some more potential progesterone.
I would however add some winstrol since tren is a progestin and winstrol blocks the progesterone receptor. That is my cycle right there minus the masteron.
I have also upped my test to 130mg ed and I like it better than 100 so 150 sounds awesome.
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10-24-2005, 10:01 AM #5Originally Posted by TrumanHW
alo
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10-24-2005, 10:06 AM #6Senior Member
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EQ isn't progestenic - but this definitely explains why you didn't want to add it to your cycle. Masteron is an Anti-E, actually, thats what it was originally used medically for if I recall correctly.
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10-24-2005, 10:07 AM #7Senior Member
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Alo, thanks ... but it's a fact, regardless of the number of cycles you have ... that gains are DOSE dependant. FACT. Prove otherwise.
This is cycle number two.
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10-24-2005, 12:05 PM #8Originally Posted by TrumanHW
alo
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10-24-2005, 12:07 PM #9
and you being not a huge guy yourself and only on cycle #2, you would get incredible gains at 100mgs ED of prop without all the other compoounds, and you wouldnt have a hard time keepin it.
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10-24-2005, 12:27 PM #10Senior Member
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Alo... I'm simply not going to engage in this. To me, your replies seem to indicate that you stick to the new posts on AR, and do little browsing around on the internet, let alone searching for things. I'm not going to do you the favor of siting the threads that support my position. I'm not changing my cycle to suite your misinformed position. Gains are dose-dependant. The end. Eventually... you'll accidentally come across things that cause you to re-think your position... but if they weren't dose dependant... why then do we need more than the actual 7ish mg per day that we create? Isn't THAT a strong validation?
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10-24-2005, 03:57 PM #11Originally Posted by TrumanHW
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10-24-2005, 05:03 PM #12Senior Member
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Originally Posted by sniper320
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10-24-2005, 06:03 PM #13Originally Posted by TrumanHW
alo
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10-24-2005, 06:35 PM #14Senior Member
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But ... It's cheap for me. So the $$ isn't the issue. And really ... it's not like your body grows ressistant to AAS... if anything ... with more muscle - you have MORE receptors... but 10 pounds is a SMALLER % change of a persons body at 250 than it is at 180... which sort of confuses people. But... all medical things I've read show INCREASED affect from INCREASED dosage. So, your anecdotal unscientific inference from your buddies means nothing - at least not compared to statistics. Anyway, all the predicates to your belief are based on flawed logic. Please, take my word for it, find other criteria for believing in something.
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10-24-2005, 08:16 PM #15Member
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I like your cycle man....as I have stated.
Add some winstrol . The progesterone thing is in hookers profile and many other profiles on the net which is where I got it from (I crossreference them to check for congruentcy).
Do the cycle as planned truman, but with the winny in there. Winstrol stacks extremely well with prop/tren (works synergestically) which is well known and is the stack of champions from what I hear.
Don't have any further comment on the EQ. Should be interesting to see what happens although I DO think there's already enough in there.
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10-24-2005, 08:25 PM #16Originally Posted by TrumanHW
Truman best of luck buddy. You're a smart MoFo and I know you'll do well..
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10-24-2005, 08:55 PM #17Senior Member
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Thanks guys!
Dragon! :-) The Masteron !!! That's my DHT supplement ... it's better than winny in my analysis... at least the theoretics as I read them. Of course - there's NO substitution for experience and seeing what my body responds to, but I'm going to use the masteron as it's more stable and matches the half life of my other injectables...
In fact ... here's the kicker! My UGL... has my MIX!
All in ONE 50mL bottle ... each mL contains:
Test-Prop - 100mg
Tren -Ace - 70mg
Masteron-Prop - 50mg
225mg per mL
I'll be taking 1.5ml ED... which will equate to:
150mg Test
105mg Tren
75mg Masteron
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10-24-2005, 09:15 PM #18Member
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Originally Posted by TrumanHW
But you also know I'm really interested in masteron too though so I think it should be in there for sure.
What do you think about using winny and mast? Any problems you see?
Like the mix you got.(can you PM me a price?)
The one I have here is;
75 prop
75 tren
75 mast
I will add more prop to the syringe so it's 150 prop.
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10-24-2005, 09:18 PM #19Member
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add some letro to block the progesterone receptor and it'll be all good.
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10-25-2005, 12:07 AM #20Originally Posted by TrumanHW
Yes, you are very knowledgeable, anybody can see that by your posts. But you dont realize is that knowledge is good, but personal exp is better. You cant just read for a year or so, and all of a sudden be a guru at bb. It just aint that easy bro. And you arent even that far into your cycle. Why the hell would you be rampin up the doses, and adding another compound if your already making good gains off of what you got? If your so damn smart, explain that to me, cuz i dont see your motive. Just cuz you can get it cheap.... that aint no excuse.
But hey, like i said, its your money. I dont want to get in a pissin contest with you truman, to me, its pointless. I guess i will have to watch how i try to help you, you seem to think you know everything already. So whatever...
alo
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IMO i think that for 2nd cycle the dosages are a little high.... but hey it not just his money.... its his health.
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10-25-2005, 12:45 AM #22Member
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alo ........I agree with certain things here, but truman is also right with the test dosages. Check the profiles here and they will state that results of test is dose dependant.
Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Testosterone Propionate 4th paragraph from the end
......But I do see what you're saying, a little can often be almost as good. I don't think truman is advocating high doses for everyone either though.
I think many people often butt heads with truman untill they figure him out....it happened with me. Now we exchange all the time. I think he is helpfull and has well thought out answers.
So let's all work together here. I think if we all research our own info and include links to it, it will be a much more frinedly environment.
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10-25-2005, 12:49 AM #23Originally Posted by alo5603
DITTO!
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10-25-2005, 01:09 AM #24Member
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10-25-2005, 02:27 AM #25Senior Member
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Yeah... I might - but actually - and this is crazy ... but my tren induced ensomnia WENT AWAY when I upped the dose! My friends hunger is SUPPRESSED on tren at 40mg ED, and increased when doing 75mg ed... go figure.
Dragon, you understand me well now days... thanks for assistance.
GUYS! I'm not trying to tell you what to do. If you want to offer your opinion, do so with support for it. I've graduated from accepting the opinions of people who site some friend who's huge as the validation of it. It's just not valuable information.
Experience is EVERYTHING. But I will start seeking my PERSONAL awareness of what works for me in accordance with the fundamentals illustrated by scientific principals.
I've been on Letro for 17 days... it's great ... my nipples get a smidge sensitive, I up the dose... otherwise, I keep it around .25 - .5 ... I prefer a slight indication that I have some estrogen, as I don't want to suppress the estrogen arm of the immune system.
Alo ... Please support this claim with more than conjecture!
WHY do you REQUIRE more AAS to get gains later on? What is the purpose for the SLOW ramp up? If you have MEDICAL fundamentals you are illustrating ... explain them. If it's just for the sake of gradually pressing the dosages ... to test your reaction to sides... I now know the answer to that - and I've skipped 5 years of discovery.
Lets get something clear here;
IF you ran 100mg of Test per week... for 30 weeks ... your gains may be QUITE similar (and thats hypothetical) to 10 weeks at 300mg per week. BUT, my opinion... is that technically ... the sides are WORSE from the 30 week cycle ... because you are suppressed LONGER... but there aren't OTHER sides that are worse. So, if you take 4 cycles to accomplish what you can accomplish in 2, because you ran lower doses, you shut your HTPA down longer... and didn't avoid any sides (potentially) by doing so.
Your turn bubba... explain your motives. I know mine.
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10-25-2005, 03:59 AM #26
Well man the cycle looks cool to me. I dont think there is a need for the BS and people arguing. It is your cycle and like most people said its a good one. I also personally think that the doses are a little high, because now down the road you will need even more and more and more. But if money isnt an issue like you said then well that doesnt really matter. Good luck to you on the cycle and watch out for the Tren sides man. Let us know how it goes.
-Bino
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10-25-2005, 05:03 AM #27Senior Member
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Thanks Bino...
I think people look at this as though it's like coke... and you're chasing a "high" ...
Truth be told... if I don't have sides during PCT - and if my blood checks out fine... I'm a LUCKY ass mofo - cause this was MELLOW in terms of sides... and the capacity to make gains from it.
The point is... figure out what works for your body... what drugs, what combination, what doses... and stick to it. There's an optimal point - you can take your time finding it - or you can try to accelerate that process. Personally - I thought the point of AAS IS to accelerate that process.
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10-25-2005, 08:32 AM #28AR's Midget Beater
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Yes, Truman is a smart guy and knows alot pertaining to AAS, but I don't think he needs 1 gram of test either yet, being his second cycle. 150mg ed of prop is going to be brutal for ever how long you run it. Hopefully your UGL prop wasn't as painful as mine. I shot 75mg ed, but I think 700mg a week would be sufficient for a second cycle. Everything else looks good in the cycle. Good luck.
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10-25-2005, 09:48 AM #29Member
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in regards to test doses I think some are forgetting something here. We all are going to have different natural test amounts in our bodies and those who run very high already will of course respond mainly to a higher exogenous dosage.
For instance, on my cutting cycle I'm doing now (which is also my first btw), 75mg prop ed wasn't nearly enough for me to even feel positive, let alone the other things. Seeing as I am huge already and through natural training it also has been speculated by many around me that maybe I have unusually high test naturally. (there are many females that have wondered the same thing )
I upped it to 100 which I saw a difference with and now 130. I upped it to 130 since the tren I felt was suppressing me and I needed more test. Worked very well. I think I will run it ALSO at 150 for my next one.
So you see, it can be very dependant on individual biochemistry.
Smak that avtar is nice, do you know the name of the model by any chance.
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10-25-2005, 10:25 AM #30Originally Posted by TrumanHW
Seems to me, what your sayin is if you ramp up the dose, then you could easily catch up to some guys who have been doin it for years, if that were true, then we would have a bunch of ronnie or jays on here. As for how long, you run, thats totally up to you. That i agree, is dependant on the person, only you can make that decision.
Alls im sayin, you could make the same gains at 100mgs of prop ED, versus your 150mgs ED, and you addin the EQ is just overkill. But what do i know right?.... im just some dumb meathead tryin to pick a fight right?
Your turn BUBBA....
aloLast edited by alo5603; 10-25-2005 at 10:28 AM.
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10-25-2005, 10:28 AM #31Originally Posted by dragon69
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10-25-2005, 10:54 AM #32Junior Member
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Truman-- All I can add to that is..........I'm jealous! Looks like a great cycle to me, I am running something similar to that in Feb.....oh, how I wish it were Febuary!
Ran
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10-25-2005, 01:35 PM #33Senior Member
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Fortunately - I have UGL gear that isn't too painful. At least - the oil isn't... there's a minimum amount of pain you have to contend with for the prop ester... as it crystalizes in the muscle or something... but a low BA content, and a cutter... keeps if from being horrid.
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10-25-2005, 01:44 PM #34Senior Member
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Alo, you're just dumb, and you could be a meathead... but really ... you just are FILLED with flawed logic. Which would be fine, if you were AWARE of it ... and asked questions, instead of acting knowledgeable.
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10-25-2005, 01:46 PM #35
Truman is that you on ur avatar?
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10-25-2005, 02:03 PM #36Originally Posted by TrumanHW
alo
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10-25-2005, 03:49 PM #37Senior Member
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Alo's a good guy... I'm glad we worked out our differences via IM...
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10-25-2005, 04:47 PM #38Associate Member
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Originally Posted by TrumanHW
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10-25-2005, 11:45 PM #39Originally Posted by TrumanHW
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12-20-2005, 10:52 AM #40
Dont mean to duplicate a post but no one seams to want to answer me...Heres my proposed cycle its pritty similar to the once in question
Dbol @ 50mg ED week 1-2
Anadrol @ 100mg ED week 2-4
Winny @ 50mg ED week 4-6 - Mainly to FURTHER reduce SHBG - Yes it will be harsh on liver but its only 6 weeks of Orals i will run milk thistle...
Tren A @ 75mg ED Week 2-5
Prop @ 100mg ED 1-6 Weeks
Mastron @ 100mg ED 1-6 Weeks
HCG 1500iu's/Week
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