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I am on my first cycle. I am taking 500mg of sustanon per week and i am getting great results. My results have surpassed my expectations. I don't understand why most people say that sustanon must be taken EOD. Taking it EOd would be like hanging a sign on my neck and screaming to the world "I'm on Steroids". I can just imagine how huge I would get if I took it EOD (of course if what you all claim is true). I think that we don't need to take it EOD to get great results. I'm walking proof.
Cause of the prop and phynl(sp) prop that are in that compound. They are out of your system within like 3days or so. So doing EW inject you are only utilizing the isocap and deconate. And um you dont inject 1cc EOD. Well unless you are looking for 750mg+ EW. So its not like wow your ganna be so obvious just cause your doing EOD injections. i dont think prop and phynl prop will give you huge mass gains anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by nitehog33
haha ill let one of the vets comment on the walking proof part.
briansauras, from reading alot of the threads on this forum, i think that more than half of the guys are here to gain just enough mass to look bulky and built. Not many want to look like true bodybuilders. Most guys are looking for 15 to 25 lb gains and most of these same guys are skinny guys. I know I want to reach a solid 190 lb. I am currently 205 lbs but need to be at 215 before i start to lean out.
uh ok whats your point? You dont think you could have gained on a single ester test? Basically thats all you're relying on right now anyways except you threw in 2 more compounds that you wont see results from just added sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by nitehog33
Why don't you get results from the 2 other compounds? what are the added sides you are talking about? But I'm with nitehog, I'm just looking to get the 15 lbs to get me over the hump to where I want to be. I'm not looking to be a body builder by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by briansauras
I believe that if you are only taking 500 mg of sustanon a week, eod injections are only going to keep blood levels a little bit more stable, but if you see the chart on sustanon eod compared to ed, the eod is not as stable as you think. I would dig it up for you but latley I have to dig it up eod.
500 mg of sustanon is not enough prop divided into eod injections, so dont waste your time. If you increase your doseage to 750 or above than I could see eod,
However I ran it at .75 cc's eod,
I will never run sustanon again, too many fakes and underdosed imo.
To answer the sides question. The Prop and Phenylprop esters are shorter acting esters. By not shoting them ED or EOD you decrease the stability of your blood levels. Unstable blood levels typiclly result in added sides. This may not be as noticable in multiple ester compounds, but once one starts to use other compounds (like tren) shooting EOD vs. ED can make a huge difference in the sides one will see. Not to mention that he is not using the Sust. to its fullest capability. If you want to shoot twice a week (and there is no proplem with that) you should sticke to a single, longer acting ester, like Enanthate or Cyponate.
Hope this helps
Ok, so everyone is saying somethign a little bit different. What is the most effective way to take Sustanon250? Ew, Ed, Eod? dossages?
EOD is probably the most realistic, seeing most people use the 500-750mg range.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBflash21
As far as dosage...thet will depend on alot of variables
Ok, so how does this sound (first cycle) EOD @ 0.5cc or 0.75cc?
Some might agree with me when I say you want to try to gain as much as possible with the least amount of gear. For a first cycle lots of people only run 250mg EW or test e/c and gain 20lbs easy. So since it is your first I would say run 0.5cc and see how your body reacts to test ei sides and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBflash21
I agree with most of this. Cept I would run 500mg ew. (250 E3.5 days) of enan or cyp. If all you can get is sust. .6cc eod.Quote:
Originally Posted by briansauras
not to say his way wouldn't work
Here is the charts
As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.
On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml
Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
basskiller
days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619
Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.
Question:
So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...
as posted by 46and2aheadofme (the same who made the graph) Thanks 46
Answer:
Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page
The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here
Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....
The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .
The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.
There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.
Here is the normal 3 times a week chart
Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7
1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566
tha'ts a lot of f**kin injections! you're ass would look like a tomato
I thinking of doing test e and EQ e3d. 300mgs of test e and 200-300mgs of EQ. I'm going to jump with prop or tbol, not sure yet. Is this ok? Have prop on hand. Sorry, I'm a dirty hijacker....
Try a prop cycle. That's getting poked ed. You get use to it....Quote:
Originally Posted by DBflash21
I was just throwing out some food for thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by damiongage
Probably a simple question, but I'm not great on computers...I am not able to send, or recieve PMs on this website, is there a setting I need to change? Thanks.
well im sorry thats a crock of shit. Youll poke once for a cycle gain 20 pounds and do it again and again and again cuz its ez. i dont thin kanyone goes back to natural after gettin awesome results on a cycle. i dont know why you want to go back to natural ne ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBflash21
regardless if u wanna be a bb or not. youll still cycle more than once cuz u wanna "looook goood for da laddies" right?
[QUOTE=DBflash21]tha'ts a lot of f**kin injections! you're ass would look like a tomato[/QUOTE
lol newbies only shooting in their ass :haha:
Sorry, gethuge...where do you inject?