107 free test results please help!!!!!

**blackh2** · 06-16-2004, 05:39 PM

ok i had been on about 2 years really heavy on test and gh and anything else i could get. about october of 2003 i just stopped cold turkey which was the worst thing i could ever due. at first i lost some weight and really didnt look that bad but then i went to this doctor and he put me on clomid and hcg well after about 2 months on that i had gained like 25 lbs of fat. to make a long story i went to an endocrilnologist and took a new blood test my free test is 107 way down from where i was in march after being on the clo and hcg. so they want to put me on some cream for awhile my igf-1 results were not in as of today but she said she had no problem giving me gh if they were low as well. i know i screwed up by stopping cold turkey and i have a feeling this cream is a waste of time do you know anything i can ask the doctor i dont want to piss her off in case she will scribe the gh...... thanks for any help!!!

**blackh2** · 06-16-2004, 05:57 PM

anyone have an answer

**timvds** · 06-16-2004, 05:59 PM

What's your question?

**blackh2** · 06-16-2004, 06:13 PM

just wondering if u have heard of this kind of problem and why i earth would the doctor give some gel is there anything else they could prescribe. i just hope my gh levels come back low so i can have my insurance pay for this plus get u s grade stuff. one question is should i just go with the flow with the doctor and see what i can get and another question is have u heard of people getting lots of bloat off of hcg and clomid????????

**blackh2** · 06-16-2004, 06:14 PM

i also dont know why im considered a newbie ive been on here for like 2 years and was on 101 and mesmorph guess i should log on a little more

**timvds** · 06-16-2004, 06:16 PM

First off, how old are you? For older gents there is a place where you can legally get hormones to slow the aging process. If you aren't over 40 you are lucky the doctor is considering giving you gear. Also if you stopped hcg and clomid therapy over 4 months ago then your wieght gain is not from that. Its your diet, and maybe a lack of free test in your system.

**blackh2** · 06-16-2004, 06:27 PM

hey bro thanks for the hit. i am 31 and was 215 nand very lean at valentines and within 2 months i looked like a show pig and have not done anything as far as juice or regular exercise. as far as this cream goes i just feel it being a waste but i may be wrong

**Demon Deacon** · 06-16-2004, 06:34 PM

Its probably not a waste if the doctor is going to give it to you.

**timvds** · 06-16-2004, 07:01 PM

How many MG is the script of the test cream? Even to replace your hormones you would need 200 mg per week.

**blackh2** · 06-16-2004, 08:42 PM

i think it is 20 mg

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 08:17 AM

anything else i can ask to get the extra weight off????

**jmp51483** · 06-17-2004, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by blackh2

anything else i can ask to get the extra weight off????

I would be more worried about my test levels than my weight at this point bro...

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 08:26 AM

my test levels are so low i dont understand. **** is there a way to get test back to normal after being on so long. no wonder i feel like **** all the time. allways tired and sore in my joints. when i took the clo and the hcg my estrogen must have sky rocketed to gain all this fat. i am way depressed. i just statrted back in the gym about a month ago and am so weak.

**Pale Horse** · 06-17-2004, 08:41 AM

I have heard decent things about the gel and getting your levels back up to normal The question is what is your docs version of normal? I'm on HRT and my test level was @ 190 @ 37 yrs old and I said man that is like a 70 yr old mans level that's really low and he said not really (B.S.) Anyway finally got on HRT, test injections done by myself re script but not enough to do anything as far as growth or mass. I take care of that part myself.

**Pale Horse** · 06-17-2004, 08:43 AM

By the way I had all of the symptoms you do. I never did AS before my level was checked so I know that didn't cause it. Maybe you are just like me one of those guys w/low levels normally.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 08:50 AM

i may have used all my7 free tst in high school. i lost hair at an early stage like 18 years old and was allways slow in sex drive even at a young age. i wonder if should tell the doc im kind of embarrassed of saying to much. when i went to the first doc back in december my tes was like 130 and then he put me on clo and the hcg i went uo to 270 that was in april and that was when i had gained all that weight. lots of bloat of those

**Pale Horse** · 06-17-2004, 09:00 AM

Man go to the doc & tell him everything. My wife is beautiful and I had no interest in her, heck I had no interest in sex with any chick no matter how georgeous at all with my levels that low. I was so depressed all the time and my joints hurt and I was gaining weight. My focus was on food, junk food and lots of it. My doc tried the viagra thing on me but that wasn't what I needed I needed HRT.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 09:03 AM

yea i got livitra, viagra and cialas!!!! luv all of them. but hell i dont cum enough when i get off to get a bird pregnated. my gh levels are not back yet i hope they are low so i gan get that as well. pretty bad when you hope something is wromg with you.

**Bodybuilder1986** · 06-17-2004, 09:27 AM

doctors are ****ing idiots, they will start off prescribing you the most useless stuff, and slowely build up to the more useful stuff, ie - testing each thing on your body. The gel is probabily and andro gel type cream, waste of your time.
I really think doctors in general are ****ing idiots and do not realize the seriousness of this situation. You need to get you test levels up with HCG , Clomid and Nolvadex . Even take tribulus and that ****ty cream the doc will give you.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 09:45 AM

yea i feel the cream is a waste as wekk but what do you tell the doctor

**BUYLONGTERM** · 06-17-2004, 09:49 AM

Yes, the cream is a waste. First off, I think your levels are very low because you've been on for over 2 years and it's going to take more than a few months for your levels to raise. Prescribing more TEST isn't going to get your natural levels up. I'm on HRT as well. I've always had low levels, but I still come off after a few months to get my body back to normal. When I'm off of test, I feel like total ****. I would of never quit cold turkey. I did that and It really affected me.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 06-17-2004, 09:52 AM

Oh btw, your still a newbie because of your post count not how long you've been here.

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**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 10:38 AM

ok yea i was on 2years quit cold turkey on october then after feeling like **** in december i went to a male fertility doc. which i told him what i had done as fas as AS goeS. HE THEN PUT ME ON CLO AND HCG BUT I DIDNT GET IT TILL THE END OF JANUARY BECAUSE OF PROBS WITh my insurance. my free test befor i started the clo and hcg was 130 and then after being on it 2 months it jumped up to 270 but all the fat i had gained i stopped taking it which would have been in the middle of april. well this week i went to a new doc (endocrinologist) my free test is down to 107. and the cream is what she wants to put me on. ive been of juice since october so i dont know what i should tell her

**BUYLONGTERM** · 06-17-2004, 11:03 AM

Does the Endo know what you've taken? She has to know. You have to be upfront with her. So, I'm assuming you have no idea what your test levels were before you were on for 2 years? The last few months being off, do you feel the same as you did before you went on or a lot worse. If it's a lot worse then you levels are lower then when you started and you need to get them back to where they were. Again, creams, injections, gels, etc...won't bring back your natural levels. In fact it will make them worse if you come off again. If you need to be on HRT for life, then It won't matter.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 11:33 AM

yea the endo knows i was on everything for the last 2 years with very mlittle if any time between , this may sound stupid but does this mean to not juice again ever or what???

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 11:34 AM

if i can get gh will that have any benefits to me being 31 and know from a very big and lean 215 to a vert pathetic bloated 238

**Pale Horse** · 06-17-2004, 11:38 AM

No but it may mean that you put yourself in this condition if you don't know your pre cycle test levels. You will probably have to be on HRT for the rest of your life.

Please detail what you 2 year cycle consisted of.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 06-17-2004, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by blackh2

if i can get gh will that have any benefits to me being 31 and know from a very big and lean 215 to a vert pathetic bloated 238

Well, I am 36 years old. I took GH for 9 months. The main benefits I received from it was a greater sense of "well being". I felt amazing on GH. My immune system was also fantastic. I took GH by itself for 4 months. Since I was unable to lift (bad shoulder) I was eating like a complete PIG. No matter what I ate or drank, I couldn't stop losing weight. It leaned me out BIG TIME. While taking it on my cycle, I saw NO difference. But, I was only taking 2iu's ED.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 11:52 AM

i know my immune system sux because i am considered allergic to just about everything. which really sux. i could mhandle just getting the well being from gh if i can get it from the doc. i dont care about being big i just want to lose this wieght and get some self asteem back. should i ask the doc for other alt's?????

**BUYLONGTERM** · 06-17-2004, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by blackh2

i know my immune system sux because i am considered allergic to just about everything. which really sux. i could mhandle just getting the well being from gh if i can get it from the doc. i dont care about being big i just want to lose this wieght and get some self asteem back. should i ask the doc for other alt's?????

Yeah, ask your dr. to check your GH levels. I would do a ton of research and go in there understanding the pro's and con's to GH. If you show your Dr. your knowledable, it goes a long way...If you can get a prescription for it, you will be in heaven. I love the stuff!!!

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 12:01 PM

yea they did check my gh levels but they were not back yet as of yesterday when they told me my other results. she said without a doubt she will get me on gh if they are low

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 12:03 PM

just because test is low i guess dont mean my gh will be low as well

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 04:10 PM

well i am pretty well screwed i guess!!!! all i can get right now is the cream. and naturally my gh results came back fine so i am screwed again

**BUYLONGTERM** · 06-17-2004, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by blackh2

well i am pretty well screwed i guess!!!! all i can get right now is the cream. and naturally my gh results came back fine so i am screwed again

That sucks. Why does your Dr. insist on the cream? My dr. tells me horror stories about it and infact he strongly suggested the injections......Hell, I would just do it on my own. Thats what I'm doing now. Like I said, I know more than he does.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 04:17 PM

thanks for the reply!!! yea i figure ill tuf out the cream for 30 days then i am going to ask again. she said that gh was very beneficial for men my age (31) but now ill probablly not get **** from her.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 05:00 PM

i feel and look like ****

**upndown** · 06-17-2004, 05:50 PM

i am on HRT. my test test ha ha was 360. i told my doc that i was use to having sex 2 times a day and jackin off to boot. He put me on the jell. I went back a week later and told him it wan't workin. i told him i wanted to try injections. we came up with a dose of 250 mg/week. i feel like my old self. i don't know if thats what you want but it sure helped me. i started feeling like **it about a year ago. depressed and spacy. no wood at night. but now look out.

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 06:43 PM

i wish i could get the gh as well but i guess i should be happy that i have sum new jack off lotion!!!!!!!!!!! lol

**blackh2** · 06-17-2004, 07:35 PM

it also sux because the first doc i went to he gave me a doc name that did gh but u had to pay everything up front in cash no insurance. i am going to stay on this doc and matbe she'll give in. i doubt it though!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Anhydro78** · 06-18-2004, 12:52 AM

You have to think how this sounds!!! I use steroids and I feel like you are an addict trying to get your fix. First you abused the sh!t out of steroids . Then you go to the doctor for help getting your natural testosterone back to normal( nothing wrong with that) But then they prescibe you the Androgel and your asking for tips on how to get the injectables. After abusing steroids for two years do you think they can trust you with a vial of testosterone to do injections yourself???? You are the reason why the goverment can have any legit claim that we are too stupid to know what we can put in our bodys. Im not trying to be mean but d@mn dude. You have no buisness taking steroids for two years straight unless you are a PRO Bodybuilder or PRO Powerlifter. Just another good example of why these things cant be made legal.