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    Question Riddle me this Batman...AI & Aromasin experience?

    Should an AI be included in one's first cycle (Test E 500mgs weekly)?
    Would one receive anabolic results from Aromasin off cycle due to it's estro reducing/Test increasing properties? How should Aromasin be employed, if at all in a first cycle?

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    It is always a requirement IMO, Decreases bloat and reduces sides. I'd run it at 25mg/day throughout cycle and PCT. No personal experience as of yet, I will be including it in January.

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    What's the riddle,Robin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinnacle
    What's the riddle,Robin?
    Thats what I was thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinnacle
    What's the riddle,Robin?
    It's the Riddler that says "riddle me this".

    But actually it was just an eye catcher. I really needed help. Anyone else...Aromasin on or off cycle?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    Should an AI be included in one's first cycle (Test E 500mgs weekly)?
    Would one receive anabolic results from Aromasin off cycle due to it's estro reducing/Test increasing properties? How should Aromasin be employed, if at all in a first cycle?

    Thank you all,

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    Personally I don't think you should use any ancillaries until you know if you need them, yes you should have them handy, but what, just what if you run the whole cycle with no unusual bloating or nasty gyno-then you wasted your money on shiat you didn't need, so IMO buy it, keep it on hand and pay attention, if you don't need it during then you can use it in PCT.

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    Thanks Shortie.

    Would Test E 500 be your recommended starting cycle also?
    As you've probably noticed, having answered a couple of my threads, I just want to get this right and not have regrets later.

    Thanks again.

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    Any additional comments would be welcome.

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    Aromasin is a very good AI and would def do the job. The only thing is that the cost is high and you could get away with running cheaper ancillaries at the dosages you will be running for a first cycle. You could run Nolva and L-dex, or just nolva.

    My first cycle I just ran 10mg of Nolva and 25mg Proviron and that did the trick for me.

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    Much obliged Mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    Thanks Shortie.

    Would Test E 500 be your recommended starting cycle also?
    As you've probably noticed, having answered a couple of my threads, I just want to get this right and not have regrets later.

    Thanks again.
    500mg/wk should work well, I'd shoot 250mg on Mon, and 250mg on Thurs. for more stable levels. You gonna grow like a weed. Make sure your diet is on key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
    500mg/wk should work well, I'd shoot 250mg on Mon, and 250mg on Thurs. for more stable levels. You gonna grow like a weed. Make sure your diet is on key.
    I'd rather not gain too much weight (counteracts sports) but I'm looking for some size and strength. With this type of goal should I keep the cycle short (6-8wks), or maybe reduce the dosage? What recommendations would you all make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    I'd rather not gain too much weight (counteracts sports) but I'm looking for some size and strength. With this type of goal should I keep the cycle short (6-8wks), or maybe reduce the dosage? What recommendations would you all make?
    Run it for at least 10 weeks at 500mg....... The weight you gain is more from your diet then the AAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Run it for at least 10 weeks at 500mg....... The weight you gain is more from your diet then the AAS.
    Exactly, you can control your weight gain with your diet. I know ppl who take TestE to lean up. But their diet reflects it also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
    Exactly, you can control your weight gain with your diet. I know ppl who take TestE to lean up. But their diet reflects it also.
    Thanks fellas, it draws up like this (please append as needed):
    Dosage: Test E 500mgs
    Frequency: wk shot bi wkly (every 3.5days)
    Duta: beginning a month before, throughout, and PCT
    PCT: nolva only pct, 14 days after last inj, 40mg nolva for 14 days followed by 14 days on 20mg nolva

    ANY OTHER SAFE GUARDS?

    LASTLY WHAT ARE YOUR PIN RECOMMENDATIONS? 1.5" 22g; 1'' 23g; 1'' 25g???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Aromasin is a very good AI and would def do the job. The only thing is that the cost is high and you could get away with running cheaper ancillaries at the dosages you will be running for a first cycle. You could run Nolva and L-dex, or just nolva.

    My first cycle I just ran 10mg of Nolva and 25mg Proviron and that did the trick for me.
    Run the Nolva and L-dex. Some have said keep it on hand, but why chance it. Gyno surgery is not worth going w/o A1's or nolva, keep it on-hand until what...you need to buy a training bra? An ounce of prevention........ As for pin size, draw with a 23GA, inject with 25GA. But this depends on your bodyfat.
    Last edited by Logan13; 12-27-2005 at 10:51 PM. Reason: add

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    25ga 1 1/2 inch is the best universal pin. Draw with a 20 and shoot with a 25 is what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
    25ga 1 1/2 inch is the best universal pin. Draw with a 20 and shoot with a 25 is what I do.
    Where have you found the 25GA x 1.5" pins at? I just received my pins from a local hospital that were 25GA x 5/8". Never seen these before either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Run the Nolva and L-dex. Some have said keep it on hand, but why chance it. Gyno surgery is not worth going w/o A1's or nolva, keep it on-hand until what...you need to buy a training bra? An ounce of prevention........ As for pin size, draw with a 23GA, inject with 25GA. But this depends on your bodyfat.
    L-dex and Nolva throughout at what dosages?

    And draw & shoot sound like old west terms to me. Please give crash course in amp usage.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Where have you found the 25GA x 1.5" pins at? I just received my pins from a local hospital that were 25GA x 5/8". Never seen these before either.
    www. get p i n z .com

    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    L-dex and Nolva throughout at what dosages?

    And draw & shoot sound like old west terms to me. Please give crash course in amp usage.
    Thank you.
    Ldex @ .5-1mg/day, Nolva @ 10-20mg/day.
    Not sure what you mean by amp usage. Open it and draw.
    Last edited by IBdmfkr; 12-27-2005 at 11:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
    www. get p i n z .com



    Ldex @ .5-1mg/day, Nolva @ 10-20mg/day.
    Not sure what you mean by amp usage. Open it and draw.

    You said that you "Draw with a 20 and shoot with a 25". Are you using two totally different pins here? Why wouldn't you draw and shoot with the same one?

    AMENDED
    Dosage: Test E 500mgs
    Frequency: wk shot bi wkly (every 3.5days)
    Duration: Duta, Ldex @ .5-1mg/day, Nolva @ 10-20mg/day
    PCT: Duta, Nolva only pct, 14 days after last inj, 40mg Nolva for 14 days followed by 14 days on 20mg Nolva

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    You said that you "Draw with a 20 and shoot with a 25". Are you using two totally different pins here? Why wouldn't you draw and shoot with the same one? Yes, change the pin. I do it because I like to be sanitary and I am very impatient.

    AMENDED
    Dosage: Test E 500mgs
    Frequency: wk shot bi wkly (every 3.5days)
    Duration: Duta, Ldex @ .5-1mg/day, Nolva @ 10-20mg/day
    PCT: Duta, Nolva only pct, 14 days after last inj, 40mg Nolva for 14 days followed by 14 days on 20mg Nolva
    cycle looks good, goodluck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
    cycle looks good, goodluck.
    Thanks.

    Still unclear though...
    Yes, change the pin. I do it because I like to be sanitary and I am very impatient.
    ...how does changing the pin increase sanitation? If the first pin and product are sanitary, where does the problem come in? Please elaborate.

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    Some people fail to remember to clean the surface of the vial when drawing. Also I use the 20gauge to speed up the drawing process, so I am already switching it anyway(because there is no way I'm shooting with a 20g). Although, I do reuse my draw needle for a few weeks at a time.

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    The Test E I'm speaking of comes in 250mg/Amps not vials. Thus the draw should be clean right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    It's the Riddler that says "riddle me this".
    HAHA..what do I know.I always thought batman was a sausage jockey anyway.

    Back to the topic..........

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    Okay Pinnacle if it'll get you to help the thread, here's one of the Riddler's classics..."When is a door not a door?" Think about that while you explain drawing with one pin and shooting with another. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    The Test E I'm speaking of comes in 250mg/Amps not vials. Thus the draw should be clean right?
    Yes...your draw pin should ALWAYS be clean(sterile out of the sealed package) bro.You'll risk infection otherwise.Never re-use a pin to draw with.They cost pennies.

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    Do you also use a new syringe when filtering too, or do you think it is ok to reuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
    Do you also use a new syringe when filtering too, or do you think it is ok to reuse?
    I use everything one time only.The only thing I re-use is a slin pin for taking liquid orals.

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    So I draw from my amp, then from my drawer (syringe) into my shooter, into me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    So I draw from my amp, then from my drawer (syringe) into my shooter, into me?
    You'll use a larger gauge pin(20g) to draw up the oil.After that process is complete.You'll then switch pins to your lower(25g) gauge pin for injecting.Once that is complete,you'll wipe the injection site with alcohol and fire away.


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    Then swallow the amp, so none is wasted.

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    Are you serious? Is taking the amp orally the same as injecting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    Are you serious? Is taking the amp orally the same as injecting?
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    "Swallowing the amp" part was a joke. Don't swallow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    Are you serious? Is taking the amp orally the same as injecting?
    Gold
    UH OH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack
    Are you serious? Is taking the amp orally the same as injecting?
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    You must swallow the whole amp, they are made from special material and will digest fine. Don't want to waste now, do we?
























    MUHAHAHAHA Please don't take me seriously

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    Obviously I was kidding. Who on earth would inject if swallowing were an alternative. Sometimes a stupid comment begs a stupid reply.

    Take IBd's post above..."Really? So the amp is like a gel cap then huh?"
    Nuff said.
    But seriously thanks for the info fellas.

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    haha, good luck Goldie. Keep us updated on the cycle!

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