Best MASS Cycle...?

What is the best mass cycle anyone can do without GH...

Iv never run Tren but i would like to include this in the cycle as iv heard its a good mass builder...

How about this :

Test E @ 750mg/ Week 1-8
Deca @ 400mg/ Week 1-8
Anadrol @ 100mg ED Week 1-4
Tren @ 75mg EOD

Maybe add masteron Week 4-8 when i drop the Anadrol to harden

I dont want to run any cycles longer than 8 weeks as my gains halt at week 7 so its just a waste...I was originaly going to try A short 6 week cycle as im interested to try one

By the way iv got 3 cycles under my belt...

I was thinking about running

Test Prop @ 100mg ED Week 1-6
Tren @ 75mg ED/EOD Week 1-6
Masteron @ 100mg ED Week 1-6
Anadrol @ 100mg ED Week 1-4

and mybe add Winstrol @ 75mg ED for Week 4-6 to further harden and reduce SHBG

Which one would i gain the most from ? Iwant to stay lean and ripped so i definitly want a hardner in my cycle but then again i might still be OK with Tren being a fat burner...

bro you need to make up your mind.

Are you aware of Tren's high affinity to receptor sites?

Also thought you wanted one for 4-6 weeks???

hey bigguns i aint raggin on you but you need to get a cycle set mate,you must post a new cycle eod lol!!no flame bro!!:wg:

Do the 8 weeker with prop.I wouldnt use test-E shorter then 12 weeks.

i no i no, its a few months away my cycle, i keep having ideas of which would be better, then changing my mind...I want to try a small cycle then again i want to gain as much as possible...hope its not bothering you about these different cycle posts, but i want to make sure my next cycles the shit

What do you mean on trens high affinity to receptor sites ?

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Originally Posted by needbigguns

i no i no, its a few months away my cycle, i keep having ideas of which would be better, then changing my mind...I want to try a small cycle then again i want to gain as much as possible...hope its not bothering you about these different cycle posts, but i want to make sure my next cycles the shit

What do you mean on trens high affinity to receptor sites ?

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referring to your use of deca and tren

Deca and Tren are both 19-Nor steroids
They are both progesteronic hormones

Do not use them together

i do feel if you wont to do a bulking cycle you need to run longer then 8 weeks.

O right, do they both shouldnt be used in the same cycle ?

What other types are there, what is test and for an effective cycle shouldnt you try to incorporate compounds that take advantage of all receptor sites ?

Dont mean to sound dumb but if someone could tel me a little more about the different types that would be great

what were your previous 3 cycles?

what did you use?
what dosages did you use?
how long did you use them?

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Originally Posted by ant_8u

Deca and Tren are both 19-Nor steroids
They are both progesteronic hormones

Do not use them together

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Im not offering an answer to his question but i want to say, it is knowledge like this that is why i put so much faith in this board. it is unique in its wealth of qualified and helpful ideas. I would not have thought of that, nor questioned putting them together.

Hats off to steroid.com

First was Sust only @ 500mg/Week
Sust + Deca 500mg/week Sust, 400mg/week deca
- Also run winny for 4 weeks @ 50mg ED

(In terms of gains, my first was medioca, the second cycle was great ! Third VERY dissapointing, my own fault)

Then heres where it gets messy...I run PCT after my 2nd cycle and only had around a 3/4 weeks, i got greedy for gains and started again with :

Prop EOD @ 100mg for 6 weeks
Dbol 50mg ED for 4 weeks

(I changed my mind once i started prop and wanted to switch over to test E, so i added it and stoped the prop when the test E was kicked in)

Test E from week 2-8
Deca @ 400mg/ week 1-8

I Also run Anadrol week 6-8 to see if i could still gain...
I know what i did was silly i should of had time off, and thats the reason i only gained around 8 keepable Lbs but we all learn from our mistakes, i got greedy for gains...

I took HCG @ 1500 Iu's every 5 days - Had 5 shots of HCG in total...
Im now in PCT with Clomid and Nolva, iv kept most of my gains i think its probably more due to being on that long and my body restoring homeostasis with the extra weight...

Iv been off nearly 4 weeks now and im not going to start again till mid March
(Its 1st of January today)

- Im sure im not the first person to get greedy and stay on for months, and i wownt be the last but my gains seam to holt around week 7 so every cycle i run now isnt going to be over 8 weeks as its just a waste - for me anyway, i know everyones different

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Originally Posted by topgun1983

Im not offering an answer to his question but i want to say, it is knowledge like this that is why i put so much faith in this board. it is unique in its wealth of qualified and helpful ideas. I would not have thought of that, nor questioned putting them together.

Hats off to steroid.com

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I agree 100% i also would of never known that...
Yes hats off to this board alltough my GF thinks different, shes hates it as im on here all the time

Dont forget about the sides from Tren....

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Originally Posted by needbigguns

I agree 100% i also would of never known that...
Yes hats off to this board alltough my GF thinks different, shes hates it as im on here all the time

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get some photos of her on here...then she can be on here all the time too....:wg:

how long were your first 2 cycles?

12 weeks

Your gains stop at around week 7-8
Doesn't mean your cycle should stop
You should carry on past this time to help solidify your gains

Your body is not used to this weight so will try to get rid of it
Running your cycle to 12 weeks will help your body acclimatise to the extra weight

Looking at your past cycles i'd suggest you run this one:

Weeks 1-14 Letro 1.25mg EOD
Weeks 1-17 Vitamin B6 200mg ED

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 45mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg
Weeks 1-11 Deca 400mg

Weeks 15-17 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Weeks 15-17 Clomid 100mg ED

Any questions?

best bulker?
tren/test/dbol/slin/igf
and LOTS OF FOOD

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Originally Posted by ant_8u

Your gains stop at around week 7-8
Doesn't mean your cycle should stop
You should carry on past this time to help solidify your gains

Your body is not used to this weight so will try to get rid of it
Running your cycle to 12 weeks will help your body acclimatise to the extra weight

Looking at your past cycles i'd suggest you run this one:

Weeks 1-14 Letro 1.25mg EOD
Weeks 1-17 Vitamin B6 200mg ED

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 45mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg
Weeks 1-11 Deca 400mg

Weeks 15-17 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Weeks 15-17 Clomid 100mg ED

Any questions?

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Wouldnt Tren be more effective in this mass cycle than deca ? Im also keeen to try tren as i have not used it yet