second cykle

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01-05-2006, 02:33 PM
jwet

second cykle

week 1-4 anadrol @ 100 ed
week 1-13 DECA 400 @ week (Front load 750 first week)
week 1-14 Test E @ 500 week ( Front Load 1000 first week)
week ?-? winny tabs

Arimidex, nolva, clomid for pct

Q´s

- Does the frontloading look ok?

- I see alot of cykles were they put test prop like weeks 15-16 why is this?Just do extend the cykle?

- I like to add winny when this helps progesterone gyno (?), which weeks should i add this?

- I´m gonna keep the nolva on hand do i need the a-dex on cykle or just pct? i 0.5 a good dosage?
01-05-2006, 02:44 PM
SPIKE

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwet

week 1-4 anadrol @ 100 ed
week 1-13 DECA 400 @ week (Front load 750 first week)
week 1-14 Test E @ 500 week ( Front Load 1000 first week)
week ?-? winny tabs

Arimidex, nolva, clomid for pct

Q´s

- Does the frontloading look ok? Since you're taking the Drol I wouldnt frontload. Actually I wouldnt frontload any way. Didnt prove effective when I tried it.

- I see alot of cykles were they put test prop like weeks 15-16 why is this?Just do extend the cykle? To come down off the Longer esters and help solidify gains. PCT will start 3 days after last prop injection too

- I like to add winny when this helps progesterone gyno (?), which weeks should i add this? Leave the Winny out if you're going to run the Prop instead- I´m gonna keep the nolva on hand do i need the a-dex on cykle or just pct? i 0.5 a good dosage?Depends on your goal. You will gain water from the Drol and possibly the other gear. I'd keep everything on hand, can always use it.

Just for the record, I think this is a lot of gear for only a second cycle. Especially running 100mgs of Drol..........
01-05-2006, 02:53 PM
Swifto

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwet

week 1-4 anadrol @ 100 ed
week 1-13 DECA 400 @ week (Front load 750 first week)
week 1-14 Test E @ 500 week ( Front Load 1000 first week)
week ?-? winny tabs

Arimidex, nolva, clomid for pct

Q´s

- Does the frontloading look ok? Yes. Be sure to take anti-e's and anti progesterone's when frontloading.
- I see alot of cykles were they put test prop like weeks 15-16 why is this?Just do extend the cykle? This is done to solidify any gains made ending the cycle.
- I like to add winny when this helps progesterone gyno (?), which weeks should i add this? Winny can be added to free up more testosterone, reducing SHBG. Progesterone gyno is prevented with, Vit-B6, Dostinex (cabergoline), or Bromo.
- I´m gonna keep the nolva on hand do i need the a-dex on cykle or just pct? i 0.5 a good dosage? Run it on the cycle at 0.5mg/ED. This will help reduce bloat by inhibiting (sp) testosterone from being converted to estrogen.

Read Bolds.
01-05-2006, 03:00 PM
Swifto

My 2nd cycle idea, that I'll be running after blood work was:

wk 1-12 Test Enan 500mg/wk
wk 1-8 Tbol 60mg/ED
wk 11-15 Prop 50-75mg/ED.
wk 1-15 Proviron 25mg/ED

Running HCG through-out, at 1000ius/wk, 500ius x2 (Mon, Thur).

PCT:

Run PCT with HCG, Nolva and Clomid after stopping HCG.

wk 1-3 HCG (Mon, Tue, Wed) 1000ius ED.
wk 1-5 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 3-5 Clomid 100mg/ED.
wk 1-6 Trib 1g/ED
wk 1-6 Creatine 5g/ED
wk 1-6 Glutamine 10g/ED.
Some sort of ZMA supplement.

Just a thought.
01-05-2006, 04:13 PM
jwet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifto

My 2nd cycle idea, that I'll be running after blood work was:

wk 1-12 Test Enan 500mg/wk
wk 1-8 Tbol 60mg/ED
wk 11-15 Prop 50-75mg/ED.
wk 1-15 Proviron 25mg/ED

Running HCG through-out, at 1000ius/wk, 500ius x2 (Mon, Thur).

PCT:

Run PCT with HCG, Nolva and Clomid after stopping HCG.

wk 1-3 HCG (Mon, Tue, Wed) 1000ius ED.
wk 1-5 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 3-5 Clomid 100mg/ED.
wk 1-6 Trib 1g/ED
wk 1-6 Creatine 5g/ED
wk 1-6 Glutamine 10g/ED.
Some sort of ZMA supplement.

Just a thought.

can´t get a hold of either proviron or tbol. Any other idea? Think my cykle is to much?

Tnx for the reply
01-05-2006, 04:18 PM
jwet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhova16

Just for the record, I think this is a lot of gear for only a second cycle. Especially running 100mgs of Drol..........

My first cykle was TE/DBOL so this is just adding another compund.

What would be your second cykle?

Tanks for the reply
01-05-2006, 04:20 PM
Swifto

Choose to frontload OR run an oral for the first 4 weeks.

I think, an injectable with one oral is sufficient for a 2nd cycle. I wouldnt suggest taking all 3 for a 2nd cycle. Maybe thats an idea for a 3rd.
01-05-2006, 04:27 PM
G-1000

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwet

week 1-4 anadrol @ 100 ed
week 1-13 DECA 400 @ week (Front load 750 first week)
week 1-14 Test E @ 500 week ( Front Load 1000 first week)
week 10-16 winny tabs

Arimidex, nolva, clomid for pct

Q´s

- Does the frontloading look ok? I dont see the need to frt load with the drol. But if you wont to do it. what you have is fine.

- I see alot of cykles were they put test prop like weeks 15-16 why is this?Just do extend the cykle? You will get a little more out of the cycle. it will also let you drop some water bloat also. If you wont to run the prop do it weeks 12-16. drop the test e at week 12

- I like to add winny when this helps progesterone gyno (?), which weeks should i add this?

- I´m gonna keep the nolva on hand do i need the a-dex on cykle or just pct? i 0.5 a good dosage?

I would run 200mg b-6 and .5 l-dex in this cycle. and like you said keep the nolv on hand.

everthing is in blue
01-05-2006, 04:32 PM
Swifto

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxxr

I would run 200mg b-6 and .5 l-dex in this cycle. and like you said keep the nolv on hand.

everthing is in blue

Cant 200mg/ED be harmful. 100mg/ED Vit-B6 is ok....isnt it?
01-05-2006, 04:33 PM
jwet

Gsxxr:

Something like this then...

week 1-4 anadrol @ 100 ed
week 1-13 DECA 400 @ week (no fronloading)
week 1-12 Test E @ 500 week (no frontloading)
week 10-16 winny tabs
12-16 test prop @ 75mg ed or 150 eod

Cant get l-dex just a-dex, but still .5 / day right?
01-05-2006, 04:35 PM
Swifto

It seems your trying to bulk, then cut in that cycle? Choosing either will work better.
01-05-2006, 04:37 PM
jwet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifto

Cant 200mg/ED be harmful. 100mg/ED Vit-B6 is ok....isnt it?

That would be the last of my concern puttting all the other stuff into my system
01-05-2006, 04:38 PM
jwet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifto

It seems your trying to bulk, then cut in that cycle? Choosing either will work better.

Is it the winny and prop you mean for cutting?
01-05-2006, 04:41 PM
Swifto

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwet

Is it the winny and prop you mean for cutting?

Yes.

Anadrol/Test/Deca is more of a bulk, whilst Prop/Winny is more of a cutter. This may prove difficult in one cycle.
01-05-2006, 04:42 PM
Swifto

2005 Nov 12;149(46):2545-6.

[How much vitamin B6 is toxic?]

Katan MB.

Wageningen Centre for Food Sciences en Wageningen Universiteit, afd. Humane Voeding, Bomenweg 2, 6703 HD Wageningen. [email protected]

Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) causes neuropathy at intakes of 1000 mg per day or more, which is about 800 times the daily intake from foods. There have also been occasional reports of toxicity at intakes of 100-300 mg per day. The US authorities set the no-observed-adverse-effect-level at 200 mg per day and the safe upper limit at 100 mg per day. A report of neurotoxicity in 2 patients who had taken 24 mg and 40 mg of vitamin B6 per day respectively, may be coincidence rather than a true toxic effect of such relatively low doses. However, physicians need to remain alert to high intakes of vitamin B6 as a cause of unexplained neuropathy.

PMID: 16320662

Source: Pubmed
01-05-2006, 04:42 PM
jwet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swifto

Yes.

Anadrol/Test/Deca is more of a bulk, whilst Prop/Winny is more of a cutter. This may prove difficult in one cycle.

Hmm, good point made. And it sure is alot of stuff for a second cykle i´ll go with the drol/deca/test E only.

Tanks for all the input
01-05-2006, 04:44 PM
Swifto

Bulking always comes before cutting, so, I think your have made the right choice.