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    The Ultimate roid cocktail????????

    I've been doing a lot of reading and this is what I've come up with. The only experience I have is with, 400mg a week cypionate and 1.5 IU hgh a day. This cocktail looks good on paper but I want some experienced real world feed back so I don't make a bad mistake. I'm like most, I want it now, but I'm willing to work hard every day until I get there, I just want every edge possible. This cycle would seem to cover all the bases for fast growth, lean hard muscle and retention of muscle after th cycle, with the least side effects.
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    1.Anadrol 100mg a day, winstrol 50mg every other day, deca 100mg,
    sustanon 100mg, testoviron 250mg, hgh 3 IU a day, arimidex .15mg a day,
    DHEA 50mg a day.

    2.Anadrol 100mg a day, winstrol 50mg every other day, deca 200mg,
    sustanon 200mg, testoviron 250mg, hgh 3 IU a day, arimidex .15 a day,
    DHEA 50mg a day.

    3-10.Winstrol 50mg every other day, deca 300mg, sustanon 300mg,
    testoviron 250mg, hgh 3 IU a day, arimidex .15mg a day,
    DHEA 50mg a day.

    11.Winstrol 50mg a day, deca 200mg, sustanon 200mg,
    hgh 3 IU a day, arimidex .15mg a day, DHEA 50mg a day.

    12.Winstrol 50mg a day, deca 100mg, sustanon 100mg,
    hgh 3 IU a day, arimidex .15mg a day, DHEA 50mg a day, clomid 100mg a day.

    13.Clomid 50mg a day, hcg 5000 IU, hgh 4 IU a day.

    14. Hcg 5000 IU, hgh 4 IU a day.

    Tear it up! What do you guys THINK??

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    anadrol and deca are not good for lean hard muscle, EQ, test prop, winny, var, tren , and halo are though. I think u need to rethink ur cycle- wheres ur PCT, r u planning on using HCG after clomid?

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    also- y ru pyramiding ur doses?????

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    quick size and a good cut is the goal

    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    anadrol and deca are not good for lean hard muscle, EQ, test prop, winny, var, tren, and halo are though. I think u need to rethink ur cycle- wheres ur PCT, r u planning on using HCG after clomid?
    fast size and a good cut ar the goal, take a look at the whole cycle, I thought winstrol was good for lean cutting.

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    So what?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    also- y ru pyramiding ur doses?????
    There's anadrol to start and more winstrol to end???

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockdog
    fast size and a good cut ar the goal, take a look at the whole cycle, I thought winstrol was good for lean cutting.
    winny is good in a cutting cycle- deca and anadrol arn't

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    testoviron

    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    anadrol and deca are not good for lean hard muscle, EQ, test prop, winny, var, tren, and halo are though. I think u need to rethink ur cycle- wheres ur PCT, r u planning on using HCG after clomid?
    testoviron is propionate and enanthnate. Take a closer look at the cocktail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockdog
    There's anadrol to start and more winstrol to end???
    are u planning on running the anadrol for 2 weeks then winny the rest of the time? and thats not what i meant when i said pyramiding- y do ur doses start low then pyramid up and then back down.

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    i'm srry but the cocktail is alittle hard to understand- when u say after 1. deca 100mg, sust 100mg etc is that per wk-eod or ed?

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    dose

    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    are u planning on running the anadrol for 2 weeks then winny the rest of the time? and thats not what i meant when i said pyramiding- y do ur doses start low then pyramid up and then back down.
    the dose on the deca and sustanon go up and then down but to start weeks 1-2 you have the added anadrol and weeks 11-12 the added winstrol . I think this will produce a better build with a better ramp up and easy post cycle with more retention of gains.

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    sorry

    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    i'm srry but the cocktail is alittle hard to understand- when u say after 1. deca 100mg, sust 100mg etc is that per wk-eod or ed?
    yes per week

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    thats too long to run winny and too short to run drol. Also theres no reason to pyramid its been proven - 100mg deca won't do anything. y not just go with something like-
    Drol-50-75mg ED wk 1-4
    Sust-5-600mg EW wk 1-12
    Deca-4-500mg EW wk 1-11
    then start winny for 6 wks at 50-100mg ED with PCT of clomid for 4 wks?
    also were u planning on running HCG after ur clomid?

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    Thanks for the input.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    thats too long to run winny and too short to run drol. Also theres no reason to pyramid its been proven - 100mg deca won't do anything. y not just go with something like-
    Drol-50-75mg ED wk 1-4
    Sust-5-600mg EW wk 1-12
    Deca-4-500mg EW wk 1-11
    then start winny for 6 wks at 50-100mg ED with PCT of clomid for 4 wks?
    also were u planning on running HCG after ur clomid?
    yes on the hcg . I didn't want to do a lot of anadrol due to the liver problems it can cause.

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    HCG is suppressive to natural test levels- use it during the cycle when needed and 2 wks prior to PCT. Spread the shots out throught the wk 5000 iu's a wk is to much IMO. Also- because of the short esters in sust it needs to be shot at least eod, ed for maximum benefits. Deca needs to be shot twice a wk. Regarding the drol if ur worried about liver problems either switch to dbol or run it at a lower dose like 50mg ED for the first 4 wks and take Milk thistle throughout the cycle. The winny can cause problems if run for more then 6 wks too and if its an oral it needs to be taken ED. Running it with PCT can help u keep more gains and strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    HCG is suppressive to natural test levels- use it during the cycle when needed and 2 wks prior to PCT. Spread the shots out throught the wk 5000 iu's a wk is to much IMO. Also- because of the short esters in sust it needs to be shot at least eod, ed for maximum benefits. Deca needs to be shot twice a wk. Regarding the drol if ur worried about liver problems either switch to dbol or run it at a lower dose like 50mg ED for the first 4 wks and take Milk thistle throughout the cycle. The winny can cause problems if run for more then 6 wks too and if its an oral it needs to be taken ED. Running it with PCT can help u keep more gains and strength.
    thanks for the info. I can't wait to get started and post some before and after pics.

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    Hey bro good luck with it also what cycle is this for u cause if its ur first then i'd drop the winny and HGH. If u want any advice feel free to pm me

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
    Hey bro good luck with it also what cycle is this for u cause if its ur first then i'd drop the winny and HGH. If u want any advice feel free to pm me
    this will be my second cycle and for some feason the admin has not turned on my ability to PM.

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    u'll get the ability to pm once ur post count goes up more. u might consider alittle more research b4 starting ur next cycle. let us know how it goes...

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    id definitely up the sustanon . if its legit, then it will for sure give you the results you want

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    y are you using testoviron that has enenthate and prop as well as sust that has both of those plus 2 other tests. pick one or the other and for the least sides keep that dose higher then the deca and run it a week longer. if your worried about sides and your liver id run test e 12 weeks and drop the drol and add test prop weeks 1-4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tren Bull
    id definitely up the sustanon. if its legit, then it will for sure give you the results you want
    I thought there might be still some room to up the dose thanks for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilipo
    y are you using testoviron that has enenthate and prop as well as sust that has both of those plus 2 other tests. pick one or the other and for the least sides keep that dose higher then the deca and run it a week longer. if your worried about sides and your liver id run test e 12 weeks and drop the drol and add test prop weeks 1-4
    that makes sence, what do you think about 750mg sustanon a week?

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    my last cycle was 1-10 sust 750 mg and 1-8 400mg deca worked good with minimal sides

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    sweet

    Quote Originally Posted by pilipo
    my last cycle was 1-10 sust 750 mg and 1-8 400mg deca worked good with minimal sides
    right on, that sounds good, what do you think adout adding winstrol at 50mg every other day to cut things up at the same time or finishing the last few weeks with added winstrol?

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