Equipoise and joint lubrication

[bigcity]

I was reading something about joint lubrication and the compounds that do it best
Here it is

How to increase collagen synthesis!!
(i.e. - strengthen those tendons and ligiments)
originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com

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While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca , Equipoise , Anavar , and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance he****g.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.

- AnimalMass


Just wandering thoughts on this, Now im not planing on running a EQ cycle with a small amount of test, but I am going to be useing EQ becasue deca makes me hold to much water and shuts me down real hard. now I know that Deca and EQ are not in the same class as the myth would say, but if your looking at collagen synthesis and joint lube would EQ get the job done?

[Pinnacle]

That post is older than the hills,and has no references to back those claims.

EQ will not help with the joints.It actually dries your joints out.

[justincredible]

That post is older than the hills,and has no references to back those claims.

EQ will not help with the joints.It actually dries your joints out.

I have to disagree. Everything I remember reading about EQ stated the opposite of what you posted. I know test and other compounds will actually dry them out increasing the possibilities of injury...but I disagree about the EQ. I don't right off hand know of any medically supported documentation that will prove that it does in fact have a positive effect on collegen synthesis, but I certain don't remember ever reading that EQ was among the compounds that will cause the opposite. Do you know where I could find such information Pinnacle?

[Pinnacle]

Do you know where I could find such information Pinnacle?

There are tons of posts on this board to debunk the EQ theory.There was a good thread not long ago about just that.

I'll have to search for this stuff now....I knew I should have just kept my mouth shut...lol...

[bigcity]

That post is older than the hills,and has no references to back those claims.

EQ will not help with the joints.It actually dries your joints out.

intresting, that sux

[bigcity]

So what could I use for lube

[justincredible]

Growth Hormone ...

I know that helps!

I thought EQ and Deca were supposed to be good too, but since I read Pinnacles post I've actually done some searching and found a few articles about it...some are pro some are con and some say...nothing! LOL!

Read some of this thread...

IMPORTANT! Collagen Synthesis - Connective Tissue Strength

[Pinnacle]

Here's one thread that talks about collagen synthesis.Not totally focusing on EQ.But hooker makes a point bot debunk the article above,as many others have as well.
Collagen helps ligaments not tendons.

Deca for joint pain

I'm not hunting for anymore threads...lol..

[bigcity]

After reading hookers article im still confused, I know that it might not work but I have to do more researh

[bigcity]

Healing Tendon injuries?? What would help?

Heres another link

[mark956101957]

EQ does help with the joints! I have experienced it over and over. Maybe you should find other articles to read or try it or Deca yourself.

[Pinnacle]

PPl in this thread seem to have the same feelings I do about EQ and the joints

And yes,I've ran EQ plenty of times.always have joint issues.Never with deca though..

Searched but did not get a clear answer on EQ/Deca

[Seattle Junk]

PPl in this thread seem to have the same feelings I do about EQ and the joints

And yes,I've ran EQ plenty of times.always have joint issues.Never with deca though..

Searched but did not get a clear answer on EQ/Deca

Does EQ dry your joints out like Winny? Or more like heavy test?

[Pinnacle]

Does EQ dry your joints out like Winny? Or more like heavy test?

Winny doesn't bother my joints like it does to many others,so I can't make a comparison between the two.

[doghunter]

i have run eq alot and deep into the cycle u will notice things like shoulders and elbows hurting from hard core work outs, it got to the point where i couldnt even curl heavy and i was running test and eq at high numbers im going to have to say from experience its false and maybe some of u have not run eq long enough or at an effective amount it being a very very mild and slow compound . but i cant see it help joint when it has low low water retention that alone goes against that page posted above how can it lube if u hold little water .

[mark956101957]

I will say this and know for a fact. Everyone is so different. And that is the problem with asking about facts and others experiences. Nothing is set in stone since everyone responds so differently. So until you try it yourself you really can't know what will or won't work for you. Period!

[mark956101957]

I will say this and know for a fact. Everyone is so different. And that is the problem with asking about facts and others experiences. Nothing is set in stone since everyone responds so differently. So until you try it yourself you really can't know what will or won't work for you. Period!