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    Question testosterone boosters after cycle?

    hey bros,
    should i take some otc test boosters if i am abit shut down?
    or do i let the body take its course?
    grateful

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    It can't hurt IMO, personally I just continue a low dose PCT until I feel up to snuff.

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    What do ya mean low dose pct? ive heard 100mg ED for 4 weeks is sufficient. Ive also heard 300mg for the first week, then taper down till 50mg ed for week 4. I was gonna run some T-bomb2 after the cycle and see how that works. Its still 60 bucks a bottle or something like that. I got 2 bottles for free! so i thought what the hell, ill use them to see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legobricks
    What do ya mean low dose pct? ive heard 100mg ED for 4 weeks is sufficient. Ive also heard 300mg for the first week, then taper down till 50mg ed for week 4. I was gonna run some T-bomb2 after the cycle and see how that works. Its still 60 bucks a bottle or something like that. I got 2 bottles for free! so i thought what the hell, ill use them to see what happens.
    i think he means running a normal pct then continuing with something like 10mg nolva ed for a bit after.

    personally i wouldnt bother with otc test boosters as nolva will raise your test more than the test boosters probably will

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    Quote Originally Posted by legobricks
    What do ya mean low dose pct? ive heard 100mg ED for 4 weeks is sufficient. Ive also heard 300mg for the first week, then taper down till 50mg ed for week 4. I was gonna run some T-bomb2 after the cycle and see how that works. Its still 60 bucks a bottle or something like that. I got 2 bottles for free! so i thought what the hell, ill use them to see what happens.
    t-bombs2 r as equal to a sugar pill, they do nothing. i was on them 2 years ago for a full bottle & didn't feel anything. they r a rip off replacement of androstienediol (nor stak). MHP products r great but that t-bomb they try to push heavily, it sucks & it not really a test booster.

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    Here are a few test boosters that work

    Tribulus
    ZMA
    Biotest's RED KAT (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack and Sclaremax)

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    You could run some arimidex for 1 month at 0.5mg and this will nearly double your test levels. Even clomid and nolva cannot do that.

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    Last I took test/deca I shut down HARD. Regular nolv and clomid pct didn't do ANYTHING for me. I learned the hard way not to cycle heavy on deca. Anyways, Trib and Redkat helped big time. I think redkat is the better of the two though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MER
    Last I took test/deca I shut down HARD. Regular nolv and clomid pct didn't do ANYTHING for me. I learned the hard way not to cycle heavy on deca. Anyways, Trib and Redkat helped big time. I think redkat is the better of the two though.
    I used the Redkat as well. Excellent addition to PCT. If you are really shutdown hard, take more than the recommended 4 pills. I did that and I noticed a libido return.

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    so redkat AND arimidex ?

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    my pct consists of
    pre pct hcg
    2 weeks of clom (it really dosent do as much as nolva/aromasin do)
    aromasin
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    longjack (tongkat ali)
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    and YohIMBE!! love the yohimbe/longjack BONER COMBO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuad
    so redkat AND arimidex?
    Redkat, arimidex , ZMA, and possibly tribulus.

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    t bomb 2 sucks. i was bought it without looking at the back like an idiot. and its only about 40 percent tribulus. its got zinc magnesium and copper in it. better luck sticking to ZMA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got Insulin?
    t bomb 2 sucks. i was bought it without looking at the back like an idiot. and its only about 40 percent tribulus. its got zinc magnesium and copper in it. better luck sticking to ZMA.
    I have read that you need 20% protodioscin content to have a good trib product. Optimum's is the most popular trib product on this site and it doesn't even list this ingredient. I like making my own ZMA because I can take a litte higher dose with zinc (50mg).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Here are a few test boosters that work

    Tribulus
    ZMA
    Biotest's RED KAT (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack and Sclaremax)
    This guy has it 100% right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by legobricks
    What do ya mean low dose pct? ive heard 100mg ED for 4 weeks is sufficient. Ive also heard 300mg for the first week, then taper down till 50mg ed for week 4. I was gonna run some T-bomb2 after the cycle and see how that works. Its still 60 bucks a bottle or something like that. I got 2 bottles for free! so i thought what the hell, ill use them to see what happens.
    I continue out beyond normal PCT for 4-8 weeks depending on how I feel running ldex at .5mg E3d, ldex is great at stimulating test production and very effective at low doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Here are a few test boosters that work

    Tribulus
    ZMA
    Biotest's RED KAT (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack and Sclaremax)
    Has it ever been proved that tribulis increase testosterone ? I read in an interview with "steroid guru" Bill Roberts that tribulis was useless for restoring HPTA!

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    Actually I read a pubmed study the other day that indicated that exact thing, virtually no effect whatsoever on T levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortie
    I continue out beyond normal PCT for 4-8 weeks depending on how I feel running ldex at .5mg E3d, ldex is great at stimulating test production and very effective at low doses.
    I'm with you on this one. After PCT, I ran arimidex at 0.5mg ED for 4 weeks. It will nearly double test levels and reduce water retention.

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    can i run arimidex and nolva together?

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    and as far as training anything else i can do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papi93
    You could run some arimidex for 1 month at 0.5mg and this will nearly double your test levels. Even clomid and nolva cannot do that.
    What about your sex-drive while on arimidex ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MER
    Last I took test/deca I shut down HARD. Regular nolv and clomid pct didn't do ANYTHING for me. I learned the hard way not to cycle heavy on deca. Anyways, Trib and Redkat helped big time. I think redkat is the better of the two though.
    Be careful with tribulus, tribulus AKA spanish fly, works better in women then men because it can spike or increase your aromatase emzymes, meaning your extra natural testosterone boost can turn into extra estrogen boosts which can in turn become inhibitory. It seems tribulus should only be used for a period of 10 days and stopped for 10 days to prevent a huge estrogen rebound. Red Kat on the other hand increases LH and has no effect on aromatase levels meaning you can often elevate testosterone without elevating estrogen. Red Kat can also boost GH levels and IGF.

    I am now about 2.5 months after PCT... I did 9 months of deca continuously last year, 2 months before PCT I started taking red kats, I went thru PCT with a strong unbroken sex drive. Now I am starting to try to wean off the red kats and my sex drive is in the toilet. I guess I need to get back on and stay on red kat for a little while longer, or I am tempted to stay off red kat and get a physical done with full hormone labs. I suspect I could be low enough to qualify for TRT/HRT. You know its bad when even CIALIS doesnt get you a hard on! But if I take red kats and cialis together, the sex drive is just fine thank you. (Been off the red kats now about 10 days and boy the deca dick effect is back!).

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    so what is better?, redkat or arimadex?

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    a-dex by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuad
    can i run arimidex and nolva together?
    yes. IMO, you're better running a traditional PCT with HCG , nolva, clomid and ldex/aroma/letro. If done right you really don't need those other products, IMO. Now, if you can't get what you need for tradional PCT then by all means get the OTC stuff and go as far as you can. However, I feel it neccissary to have everything before you begin a cycle. This includes PCT just in case something goes wrong during the cycle you have what you need to conduct PCT.

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    can i run the arimidex , nolva AND the forza-t together?

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    Nolva and a dex can be run together, just remeber nolva reduces adex blood serum levels by ~30%, so you wind up bumping the adex dose slightly to adapt for the compromised efficacy. Or run aromasin as it is not effected by the presence of nolva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuad
    can i run arimidex and nolva together?
    Yes they can, although I have read taking adex lowers blood levels of nolvadex ...

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    ok so what would be good dosages?
    20mg nolva
    .5 arimidex
    and what about the forza-t?

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    i gotta get some ldex for PCT i guess eh.

    i like trib afte cycle. it helps keep the little man happy

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    so... can i mix all three? if so what dosages?

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    well anyone? can i mix the three? if so, what are good dosages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuad
    ok so what would be good dosages?
    20mg nolva
    .5 arimidex
    and what about the forza-t?
    *PCT*
    (Intermittent use of HCG --protocol determined by cycle.)
    Weeks 1-2: SERM
    Weeks 2-4: AI
    Weeks 4-6: SERM
    Instead of running the nolva and ldex together, how about cycle between the two. Nolva decreases serum ldex and letro levels. You can combat this by upping the dose of the ldex, but I would rather just cycle between the two. Both are very productive at restoring natural test production. As for the forza-t, you might want to post that question in the supplemtnt forum.

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    oh yeah, the HCG is optional depending on what kind of cycle you did, how long it was and how heavy it was. IMO, HCG is a must pre-PCT to wake the boys up.

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    I agree that trib is good for sex drive but it does little to nothing for raising t-levels like nptadude said it is probably better for women as it has been proven to raises estrogen significantly and i notice that when i take it, it does indeed flair up my gyno but if your not prone to gyno then i say go ahead and take it as nptadude suggests.
    My favorite test booster are:
    6-0x0- works really well horniness is crazy, i should note that i used this as a standalone and not for PCT, also serves as an anti-e
    Yohimbe - Gives great quality wood that is hard to get rid of even after you bust
    Eurycoma - another good one
    Vitex Agnus
    Avena sativa

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    Quote Originally Posted by testosterona
    i gotta get some ldex for PCT i guess eh.

    i like trib afte cycle. it helps keep the little man happy
    I dont think everyone recommending arimidex /l-dex for PCT understand some of the cholesterol problems from using these products. Most HRT doctors strongly discourage use of aromatase inhibitors for post cycle because while it is effective for triggering LH stimulation, L-dex in PCT can cause a massive increase in total cholesterol and almost a total obliteration of HDL cholesterol in your body. It wouldnt be unheard of to see already high cholesterol levels skyrocket an additional 40 points, and getting rid of your HDL is only going to slow down your eventual return to lower levels. If you are going to do L-dex, it would be good idea to use nolvadex and/or clomid continuously while on l-dex as the presence of these near estrogens may help control the cholesterol and the extreme acne outbreaks that will occur. Also cholesterols over 230 can cause more damage to your eyes then clomid or nolva can so keep that in mind too. The cholesterol can clog up the small veins in your retina of your eyes.

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    ok so run ldex and nolva together to avoid cholesterol levels from skyrocketing. but what are some good dosages? and can i stay on the forza-t?

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    anyone?

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