new to the roid game

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 07:56 PM

I just got my 2 bottles of 250mg of test e and was wondering what dose i should start with

im 185 and wanna c 240 i work out everyday (hard) was told 1cc a week is this right i dont wanna stack it with anything
im not at that stage in the game yet

thanks for the info

**jbol** · 02-20-2005, 08:04 PM

do 400-500mg a week split into 2 shots(ex.250mg mondays 250mg thursdays) make sure you have nolva on hand and clomid for pct.

**bigjsheets** · 02-20-2005, 08:06 PM

No, 1cc will not be enough. Do 1cc, twice a week. That will be 500mg/wk for ten weeks. That is a good first cycle. 250mg/wk would be dissapointing. Good luck.

**bigbodyjosh** · 02-20-2005, 08:07 PM

Welcome to the best thing you're ever gonna experience

***system admin*** · 02-20-2005, 08:09 PM

Welcome to AR, you came to the right place for answers. How old are you and what experience to you have?

bc

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:12 PM

im 23 6'4 185 pounds
ive been working out for about 3 mos and get nothing
im in real good shape and play hockey/rugby and bball

my buddy who i work out with got me this stuff from one of his friends

from you pro's out there i was wondering with only using test what can i look for in muscle mass in one cycle

is it safe to take 2cc's a week?

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

im 23 6'4 185 pounds
ive been working out for about 3 mos and get nothing
im in real good shape and play hockey/rugby and bball

my buddy who i work out with got me this stuff from one of his friends

from you pro's out there i was wondering with only using test what can i look for in muscle mass in one cycle

is it safe to take 2cc's a week?

6'4" and 185???!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

you've only been working out 3 months dude. Do NOT do steroids right now. You are way to uneducated and way too small. Train seriously for at least 2 to 3 years and put on some mass naturally. Not to burst your bubble, but everyone here will agree that you're not ready for steroids. You need to get on a good bulking diet and get your training right.

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:16 PM

i eat like a horse and have for about 2 years i cant put on a pound
im ready

**jbol** · 02-20-2005, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by wolfyEVH

6'4" and 185???!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

you've only been working out 3 months dude. Do NOT do steroids right now. You are way to uneducated and way too small. Train seriously for at least 2 to 3 years and put on some mass naturally. Not to burst your bubble, but everyone here will agree that you're not ready for steroids. You need to get on a good bulking diet and get your training right.

agreed.

**jbol** · 02-20-2005, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

i eat like a horse and have for about 2 years i cant put on a pound
im ready

do you have nolva and clomid?

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

i eat like a horse and have for about 2 years i cant put on a pound
im ready

you are not ready. You are definitely not eating right. You have only been training for 3 months. Post your diet and your training routine for us

**nate3422** · 02-20-2005, 08:18 PM

i second that

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:18 PM

no was told just to take the test

**jbol** · 02-20-2005, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

no was told just to take the test

bro.......stick around here a while do some research,there is alot to learn here.You dont want to start sticking yourself with something you have no idea about.Get a good training routine and proper diet.Research test e learn about the sides,ect.also research pct.

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:21 PM

for the past 7 mos diet

3 tuna sands a day
1 and 1/2 chickens a day (why chicken everyday)
salad at supper
veggies all day
protiene shakes 2wice a day
it seems like every hour i got somthin ready to eat

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:23 PM

monday=chest
tuesday=arms
wed=legs
thur=shoulders
friday=cardio
saturday=back+abs
sunday=more cardio

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

for the past 7 mos diet

3 tuna sands a day
1 and 1/2 chickens a day (why chicken everyday)
salad at supper
veggies all day
protiene shakes 2wice a day
it seems like every hour i got somthin ready to eat

I dont see many carbs

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:24 PM

oh and it is a 2 1/2 hour workout everyday except sunday its only 1 hard our of cardio

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:25 PM

i was told to stay away from carbs as much as i could

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

monday=chest
tuesday=arms
wed=legs
thur=shoulders
friday=cardio
saturday=back+abs
sunday=more cardio

4 straight days of training is something i wouldnt recommend. Try this

Day 1: Chest
Day 2: Legs
Day 3: OFF
Day 4: Shoulders/tris
Day 5: Back/bis
Day 6: OFF
Day 7: Repeat

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

i was told to stay away from carbs as much as i could

and who the heck told you that????

**dirtdawg** · 02-20-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

i was told to stay away from carbs as much as i could

u cant put on weight without carbs

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:30 PM

i want to do this and thats why i found this web site to help me learn everything i need to know from people who have actually used test e

i want to get pointers from the pro's sorta speak
ive looked up test e on the net and alls i find doesnt help me

the info i want is whats the best way to see results (fast) is it better to lift heavy hard or lighter and fast i know i got a good fitness system working cause my body sure feels it
what should i be eating (the best diet thats worked for you guys)
should i take a day off from training (does this effect)

any help you pro's can give would be awsome i know i shouldnt take steroids and everyones told me that but imn sure people told you guys that before you started
i just want to get my mass up and so far i havnt been able to do that i cant break the 185 mark nor can i loose any i need a boost and herd that test e is a good way to get the boost im after i hate being that skiny 6'4 dude i wanna be that wholy $$$$ look at that monster!!!!

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by dirtdawg

u cant put on weight without carbs

it isnt the most healthy way to put weight on considering the CNS runs off of glucose.

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:32 PM

the dude that got me the test e said to stay away from the carbs but beofre i do this i wanna know.......and i know that you guys know so thats why im here

HeLp Me GeT BiG

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:33 PM

do you have to take days off of training to let the muscle heal or can you go 7 days at a lighter weight?

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

do you have to take days off of training to let the muscle heal or can you go 7 days at a lighter weight?

you sound absolutely clueless as to what you are doing. As for the guy telling you to stay away from carbs, that is absolutely rediculous. If you want to put some mass on, start eating carbs. Check out the diet sticky in the diet forum. Everyone here is going to tell you the same thing I have been, "STAY AWAY FROM STEROIDS FOR NOW"

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:39 PM

why not now

**Xe0n** · 02-20-2005, 08:40 PM

Train maximum intensity, maximum weight, 3-5 times a week. You can't train everyday.

Carbs are 100% essential for growth. Your friend is a fool, I'm sorry. You would only stay away from carbs if you were trying to lose weight!

You should aim to eat 5-6 meals a day consisting of meat, and a carb source, such as wholewheat bread, brown rice, couscous, potato's etc.

Have a protein shake as soon as you wake in the morning, to prevent catabolism, and a large protein shake pre and post work out, with dextrose (sugar) in the post work out shake for an insulin spike.

Also look at including cottage cheese and/or casein protein just before bed, for it is slow releasing and very beneficial while you sleep.

Add flax seed oil to your diet aswell, you can buy this at a health food store.

You should consume 3L of water (1 gallon I think) at least, everyday.
Drink a lot of milk. You are small and require the calories desperately.

Food is the key to growth. Once you've gained some weight, after tuning your diet, then gear up.

Train hard, eat hard, sleep well, and you'll see results.

Hope this helps bro.

**Ambulance** · 02-20-2005, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

the dude that got me the test e said to stay away from the carbs but beofre i do this i wanna know.......and i know that you guys know so thats why im here

HeLp Me GeT BiG

Hey bro, good advise from the other members so far. Take what they're saying to heart, they have been where your at...we all have. Look at your new test you received as that gift on christmas you get...you want to open it now, but the right time to do it is christmas..and the suspense of waiting is always worth it. Try to beef up your diet, you really need to get that in check before you add a compound such as testosterone enanthate to the equation. Make sure your aiming at minimal 4,000 calories a day. At 6'4 and 185 it's not going to kill you to have carbs, in fact I encourage it. It appears that you're a "hard gainer" which means sometimes you need even some dirty calories to help you grow after you've maxed out on the clean calories. Eat like a horse.

as far as a beginer cycle, once you have your diet in check.. the guys earlier were right. 1cc (250mg) monday and 1cc (250mg) thursdays..alternating muscle sites. Nolvadex is available on this web site, in liquid form, it will help prevent gyno *aka bitchtits* which steroids can cause. PCT stands for Post Cycle Therapy , it was restores your natural test levels and also helps you keep your gains..for this you will want to use a product known as Clomid. Read up on all 3 of these compounds allot longer before you try them.

I hope this helps...

EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

why not now

have you not been reading my reasons???

A) You're clueless on working out properly
B) You're diet is completely off
C) You are way too uneducated on steroids
D) You are too skinny right now
E) You have only been working out for 3 months

**DawsonDraco** · 02-20-2005, 08:42 PM

thanks

**TheNatural3456** · 02-20-2005, 08:43 PM

best to rest bro....welcome to the board....gotta let your muscle re-coop....

7 days strait is tooo much....

educate yourself...take advantage of the vast resources here....and ull grow...and grow and grow....

good luck

**wolfyEVH** · 02-20-2005, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Xe0n

Train maximum intensity, maximum weight, 3-5 times a week. You can't train everyday.

Carbs are 100% essential for growth. Your friend is a fool, I'm sorry. You would only stay away from carbs if you were trying to lose weight!

You should aim to eat 5-6 meals a day consisting of meat, and a carb source, such as wholewheat bread, brown rice, couscous, potato's etc.

Have a protein shake as soon as you wake in the morning, to prevent catabolism, and a large protein shake pre and post work out, with dextrose (sugar) in the post work out shake for an insulin spike.

Also look at including cottage cheese and/or casein protein just before bed, for it is slow releasing and very beneficial while you sleep.

Add flax seed oil to your diet aswell, you can buy this at a health food store.

You should consume 3L of water (1 gallon I think) at least, everyday.
Drink a lot of milk. You are small and require the calories desperately.

Food is the key to growth. Once you've gained some weight, after tuning your diet, then gear up.

Train hard, eat hard, sleep well, and you'll see results.

Hope this helps bro.

excellent post....hopefully he'll listen to us

**fitnessNY** · 02-20-2005, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

for the past 7 mos diet

3 tuna sands a day
1 and 1/2 chickens a day (why chicken everyday)
salad at supper
veggies all day
protiene shakes 2wice a day
it seems like every hour i got somthin ready to eat

Where are your carbs? you should try to have a 2-1 ratio of carbs/protein. You have the protein now add carbs.

**Rabduce** · 02-20-2005, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

im 185 and wanna c 240

you wont see 240 ANYTIME soon...especially with only 250mg a week...i was in your same situation 4 years ago...cept not as lanky...don't look for a quick way out...if your going to do something then do it right...you need to eat every 2 hours...and that doesn't mean a little sandwich or snack to keep your metabolism high, that means a full fukin meal every 2 hours...

**DrugsrGood** · 02-21-2005, 12:38 AM

If you do not know to eat carbs to gain weight, there is no way in hell you should start juicing. You came her for advice on your cycle. the concensus is DONT do it! You are talking to tons of knowledgeable dudes who have all kinds of experience with steroids ....not ppl that try to preach about how bad roids are for you. That should give you that much more reason to listen to us. Nobody here cares if you do roids or not, all we ask is that you educate yourself before you jump into something like this. You are messing with your bodies chemistry in a MAJOR way, and it is VERY easy to do yourself more bad then good with them! Trust. Steroids arent the key to reaching your goals, dedication is! Get that down first. You came for advice, now do yourself a HUGE favor and take it.

**Forgiveness** · 02-21-2005, 12:07 PM

Honestly, I wouldn't even bother choosing "quality carbs" lice brown rice, wheat bread, ect. You need to put on weight NOW. I sugest eating anything and everything in sight. Always have ice cream on hand as it can be consumed by the pound without upsetting your stomach. If you're not sitting on the toilet 4 times a day, then you're not eating enough. CUT BACK ON THE CARDIO. There's no need to run so much if you're looking to go from 185 to 240. Jesus man, I havn't seen 185 since I was in high school, and I'm only 5'10". Get a weight gainer shake! Switch it out with your pro shake.

Above all, put your gear in a lock box and bury it in your backyard and only dig it up when you're at least 220. Right now it is a HUGE waste for you to gear up.

**Dude-Man** · 02-21-2005, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

monday=chest
tuesday=arms
wed=legs
thur=shoulders
friday=cardio
saturday=back+abs
sunday=more cardio

why are you doing cardio when you're that skinny? Do you deadlift, and squat? How many calories are you eating per day, every day. How much protien?

**Jantzen4k** · 02-21-2005, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by DawsonDraco

for the past 7 mos diet

3 tuna sands a day
1 and 1/2 chickens a day (why chicken everyday)
salad at supper
veggies all day
protiene shakes 2wice a day
it seems like every hour i got somthin ready to eat

bro your diet is off.

your very under weight at 185 to start juicing espically since youve only been lifting for 3 months.

seriously dont do it yet