Hardening cycle

alright. My cycle history goes like this. dbol only before i knew anything like 3 years ago. then i did a sustanon 500mg/wk 10wk cycle, followed later by a sustanon 750mg/wk 10wks with winstrol 50mg/day for the last 4. i started learning more and more and most recently (about 2mo ago) i finished test e 600/wk for 12 week with deca 400/wk for 10 weeks. i used proper pct every time. now i want to basically harden up, and loose a little body fat. i wanted everyone's opinion on a few things. i'm thinking about

test e 500mg/wk wks 1-12
eq 400mg/wk wks 1-10
tren a 75mg EOD wks 1-12
winstrol 50mg ED wks 9-12

now here's my problem. i want to maybe start the cycle with 40mg ED dbol for the first 4 wks, but i dont know if that will be bad with the winstrol at the end. also, i have access to primo and i really want to add that in there. what would you guys think of adding clen/t3? clen for the last 2wks and 2wks post cycle, and t3 starting wk 3. i will also take b6 and nolvadex throughout and clomid and maybe hcg after. thanks for any and all input.

Why not Prop Instead of Test E?

BTW- I would def add the Primo in there. My boy Hova is always preaching to me bout this compound and he finally has me ready to try it.

i have always liked enan but i was also thinking about maybe starting with prop instead of dbol. my buddies say it hurts like hell.

I like test e it has always been my favorite. I would pick either clomid or t3 to run. Nolva will be a good pct to run. good luck bro.

First off I would add the T3 at 12.5mcg-25mcg throughout the entire cycle from weeks 1-12. Reason being that Tren will lower thyroid functions so by adding some T3 you can really turn up that metabolism.

Secondly I would run the Prop b/c you will be needing to run ED injections with the Tren-A so may as well mix it in one syringe with that Prop. Test E can be used in cutters though, I am using 500 mgs of Test-E in my next cutter. It all comes down to ancilleries and diet..............

As Frankie stated everyone knows how I feel about Primo. The only downside is price. If it is an issue then go with what you have. Personally I dont like EQ. I feel as if it doesnt do much under 600mgs and even at that dose it takes so dam long to kick in. On a 12 weeker you want to start seeing results off the bat, hence your Tren and prop use.

If you want a true hardening cycle cut out the D-bol and run it a little bit differently. Heres what I would do (Based on what you're using but substituting the D-bol).

Weeks 1-4-----------> 50mgs Var ED
Weeks 1-12----------> 75-100mgs Prop ED
Weeks 1-12----------> 50mgs Tren-A ED
Weeks 1-12---------->12.5-25mcg T3 ED
Weeks 9-12----------> 50mgs Winny ED

PCT will start 3 days after last injection.......


The reason I didnt put the EQ in there is that I dont think you really need it. Tren, Prop, Var then finalizing it with Winny will give you sick results if Diet and training is on point.

[QUOTE=Jayhova16]First off I would add the T3 at 12.5mcg-25mcg throughout the entire cycle from weeks 1-12. Reason being that Tren will lower thyroid functions so by adding some T3 you can really turn up that metabolism.



I totally forgot about this..You can always count on Jay to come correct. He is one of the most knowledgable people on this board!

thanks alot for the help guys. i appreciate it.

hey a ug lab i trust around me is about to put out a blend of 100mg tren enanthate/ 100mg primo. if that materializes, would you stick with the prop or switch to enanthate once or twice a week because of the less frequent tren inj.?

You should be injecting the Tren ED so I would just stick with the Prop and take them simultaneously in one pin.

wat jay has lined out is great just run the winny 3 days past the last prop shot and your good to go!

I totally forgot about this..You can always count on Jay to come correct. He is one of the most knowledgable people on this board!
bit of a fan club there eh jay!!:wg:

No fan club Booz, you're still my main nukka :wg: .


It's all love here, we're all trying to learn and reach our goals. I hate seeing arguments here, if there's a misconception there are always Mods and Vets to clean them up for us. Not to mention plenty of other very knowledgeable members that help out daily. Who needs a hug????

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No fan club Booz, you're still my main nukka :wg: .


It's all love here, we're all trying to learn and reach our goals. I hate seeing arguments here, if there's a misconception there are always Mods and Vets to clean them up for us. Not to mention plenty of other very knowledgeable members that help out daily. Who needs a hug????

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i know jay im only ribbin ya mate!!you know that dontcha???:wg:

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i know jay im only ribbin ya mate!!you know that dontcha???:wg:

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Of course Booz. I know you all too well then to take anything you say to heart :asskiss:

thanks again for all your help guys. great to get so many replies. if there is ever anything i can do for you let me know.

I like that cycle, maybe add the clen but i don't think you will notice the primo with all the other compounds.