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    Simple Yes or No Question about EQ

    Im just wondering if EQ shuts you down, and if it does how hard? I want to run two or three well planned cycles with Test as my base and proper PCT, however once i get to a nice size, i want to use a steroid with as little sides as possible from time to time to just make sure i dont lose anything. Deca is out of the question because Its shuts you down so hard that you'll NEED test and i dont want to be on test forever because of the sides, just to get to my goal. I've read alot on here and i know some of you bash guys who don't want to use test but i dont feel comfortable being on it long term, period, but ANY opinions would be appriciated, im always open to new views.

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    You're right it is a simple yes or no question. The answer is yes, it will shut you down. Any exogenous substance will. Some will shut you down completely others inhibit production...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhova16
    You're right it is a simple yes or no question. The answer is yes, it will shut you down. Any exogenous substance will. Some will shut you down completely others inhibit production...........
    Couldnt have put it better myself!

    Var could be an option, being one of the less suppressive compounds.

    HCG can also be very effective at reducing/preventing total shutdown and the level of suppression.

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    So your saying there is no steroid out there with very low sides i can take without affecting my endogenous test production? In other words i will need test in every cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto
    Var could be an option, being one of the less suppressive compounds.

    HCG can also be very effective at reducing/preventing total shutdown and the level of suppression.


    YES YES YES!!!! Can always count on you Swift.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhova16
    YES YES YES!!!! Can always count on you Swift.....
    Of course.

    I'm a fountain of knowledge!

    You seem to know your sh*t too Jay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymrat829
    So your saying there is no steroid out there with very low sides i can take without affecting my endogenous test production? In other words i will need test in every cycle.
    Yes, they all inhibit the HPT axis. But, some can be taken without testosterone (like a var only cycle) without erection problems and such.

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    Yes boldenone will shut you down, any androgen will. Where don't do get the idea that you need to take steroids to maintain your muscle gains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymrat829
    Im just wondering if EQ shuts you down, and if it does how hard? .
    A yes or no will not answer this question!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal Cracker
    A yes or no will not answer this question!

    I thought it was answered in post #2

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    Yes boldenone will shut you down, any androgen will. Where don't do get the idea that you need to take steroids to maintain your muscle gains?
    One thing that always will deplete your gains in the long run is genetics, and mine suck, Im an ectomorph all the way. Its very difficult for me to maintain much of a bulky look even with Proper PCT, i always lean out, unless of course i take a 3 month break and do another cycle, and thats what i wanted to avoid but it looks like my bright idea isn't going to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymrat829
    One thing that always will deplete your gains in the long run is genetics, and mine suck, Im an ectomorph all the way. Its very difficult for me to maintain much of a bulky look even with Proper PCT, i always lean out, unless of course i take a 3 month break and do another cycle, and thats what i wanted to avoid but it looks like my bright idea isn't going to work.
    If you think you can't reach your desired goal because of 'crap' genetics you've already been defeated.

    Post your cycle history i would like to see the compounds you used no one should be losing all of his gain after a cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    If you think you can't reach your desired goal because of 'crap' genetics you've already been defeated.

    Post your cycle history i would like to see the compounds you used no one should be losing all of his gain after a cycle.
    I've run 2 cycles once a year over the last 2 years, they were both

    QV Deca320, 320mg a week for 10 weeks
    Test Enanthate350, 350mg a week for 12 weeks

    followed my Nolva for PCT, i would also use HCG but can't get my hands on any.

    I make great gains on both and about a year later with good diet, training, and rest i slowly ended up where i started, this happned twice and i've realized someting obvioulsy needs to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymrat829
    I've run 2 cycles once a year over the last 2 years, they were both

    QV Deca320, 320mg a week for 10 weeks
    Test Enanthate350, 350mg a week for 12 weeks

    followed my Nolva for PCT, i would also use HCG but can't get my hands on any.

    I make great gains on both and about a year later with good diet, training, and rest i slowly ended up where i started, this happned twice and i've realized someting obvioulsy needs to change.
    How much did you gain on the cycles? I think the problem is the diet you followed when you came off the cycle. Having a fast metabolism you probably didn't eat to maintain the newly acquired muscle mass over time. Also the cycle doses are a little bit on the low side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    How much did you gain on the cycles? I think the problem is the diet you followed when you came off the cycle. Having a fast metabolism you probably didn't eat to maintain the newly acquired muscle mass over time. Also the cycle doses are a little bit on the low side.
    Your right my metabolism is extremely high, thats why i wanted to use EQ to maintain because of the Side effect on appitite, i can only eat so much, even with meal replacements. I was exactly where at wanted to be at the end of both cycles about 220lbs with 10%BF i gained about 22 lbs after the water weight dissapated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    How much did you gain on the cycles? I think the problem is the diet you followed when you came off the cycle. Having a fast metabolism you probably didn't eat to maintain the newly acquired muscle mass over time. Also the cycle doses are a little bit on the low side.
    yeah man diet is SO IMPORTANT and when ur in a fragile catabolic state PC you have to eat IN EXCESS and LOTS of protein to maintain a positive N balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymrat829
    Your right my metabolism is extremely high, thats why i wanted to use EQ to maintain because of the Side effect on appitite, i can only eat so much, even with meal replacements. I was exactly where at wanted to be at the end of both cycles about 220lbs with 10%BF i gained about 22 lbs after the water weight dissapated.
    Maybe you didn't stay on cycle long enough and your body did not adapt to all the new muscle, I suspect it's the diet though. Good point on the eq and appetite but it does not happen to everyone. You ever try injectable vitamin B12? It works well at stimulating appetite. If all else fails 250mg test per wk may help you maintain your body comp goals.

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