Thread: Over the Counter Anti-Es?
05-21-2002, 11:45 AM #1
Over the Counter Anti-Es?
is there any worthwhile over the counter Anti-Estrogen solution? I have nolvadex on hand but would rather try to prevent estrogen formation than to block it's effects once it's been formed.. 1 ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure..
05-21-2002, 11:57 AM #2
05-21-2002, 12:45 PM #3G-S Guest
05-21-2002, 12:49 PM #4
Chryisin worked pretty good for me, but only at high dosaes like 2000mg a day.
try to see if you can find some Liquidex, it is very inexpensive right now, so I hear, that will do the trick as well.
05-21-2002, 01:03 PM #5
i don't think i can acquire liquidex or anything like that right now.. is it pretty common?
05-21-2002, 01:13 PM #6
bump this one, i have seen a lot of OTC anti -e's at my local supp store, and they claim to bascily do the same thing the others ones, do, i wanna know if they work
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so far no one has proved that the over the counter anties really work that well for BB purposes - arimdex/liquidex is too easy to get to sweat it.
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05-21-2002, 10:11 PM #9
bump for more info?
05-21-2002, 11:14 PM #10
ask ur source for armidex.......he should be able to get it......since it is fairly readily available
05-22-2002, 03:55 AM #11
We just did this question last week!
No, there are not over-the-counter anti-estrogens that I would trust.
Q: What is Nolvadex / Arimidex / Liquidex / Proviron? How do I prevent gyno / bitch tits?
A: Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate), Arimidex / Liquidex (anastrozole) and Proviron (mesterlone) all act as anti-estrogens (sometimes called anti-e’s).
Estrogen is naturally found in the male body in small amounts, however, when taking certain steroids , an excess of estrogen can be created through a process called aromitization. This abnormally large concentration of estrogen can cause some undesirable side effects, such as enlargement of the breasts (commonly referred to as “gyno” or “bitch tits”), female pattern fat distribution and water retention. (Gyno can also be caused by high concentrations of estrogen relative the your body’s level of testosterone , so gyno can be problem all the way through the end of Clomid therapy.)
Not all people who use steroids experience any estrogen related problems. Many people have taken many cycles at high dosages without using any anti-estrogens and have reported that they experienced no symptoms of gyno. Other people can take a small dose of steroids for one cycle and develop noticeable enlargement of the breast.
Estrogen can be blocked in two ways: you can block it from aromatizing, or you can block it from binding to the estrogen receptors in the body.
Nolvadex prevents estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors in the body. Nolvadex is generally taken only if and when symptoms of gyno appear. The typical dosage is 80mg the first day, 40mg every day until the symptoms subside and 20mg a day through the end of Clomid therapy. If you are taking low-moderate doses of steroids (200-600mg a week falls into that class) you can halve the Nolvadex dose.
Arimidex, Liquidex and Proviron all function as aromatase inhibitors and work by blocking estrogen from forming. Most body builders prefer to block the estrogen from forming, because in addition to preventing gyno, it also decreases water retention and keeps the body looking harder. Typical dosages for Arimidex are 0.25 mg a day to 0.5mg a day, with 0.25mg a day being average. Proviron is typically taken at a dosage of 50mg a day.
ALWAYS have an anti-estrogen on hand when you take steroids! Tits look great--but not on men! Even if you take an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex or Proviron, you should keep some Nolvadex on hand just in case the dose you are taking is too low and you start to see symptoms of gyno appear.
Q: If I Start having Symptoms of Gyno and I don’t have an anti-estrogen, should I just stop taking steroids?
A: Stopping your cycle won't fix the problem. Why?
1) You will still have estrogen in your body, so the tit-building continues.
2) You will still have steroids in your body for the next 2-3 weeks that will convert to estrogen, so the tit-building continues.
3) After all the steroids are metabolized your testosterone will be near zero and your body's natural estrogen levels will be high (yes, your body does produce some estrogen), which also means that tit-building will continue.
Stopping the steroids will not stop gyno. Anti-estrogens stop gyno.
If you don't take an aromatase inhibitor during your cycle like Arimidex or Proviron ALWAYS have some Nolvadex on hand. Even if you do use aromatase inhibitors, having Nolvadex on hand is still a good idea in case your Arimidex/Proviron dose is too low or you accidentally miss doses.
I recommend having no less than 60 x 20mg tabs of Nolvadex on hand before you start ANY cycle.
IMO, only a fool would start a cycle without anti-e's on hand.
Q: Are there any non-prescription anti-estrogens?
A: No. Sorry!
Q: I already have gyno, what can I do to make it go away?
A: If breasts tissue has already formed, the only treatment is surgical; anti-estrogens will have no effect in reducing the size.
05-22-2002, 12:21 PM #12
now that's a comprehensive reply if i ever saw one! Ajax: always on point man.. thanks a lot for your help..
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