Alright let me just throw it out there.. Im not taking AAS, just learning and gaining knowledge.. Anyways, my question is why is it that new (usually young in this case) steroid users end up losing all of their gains after cycle when they didnt have a good base to start off of? Assuming, their pct and diet was up to par after cycle, what does the initial base have to do with the keeping of their gains? I dont understand how 25 obs can dwindle away as long as the important things are still in check. Im sorry if this is somewhat unclear ill try to clear it up if theres any questions. Thanks fellas