Help! Tab only cycle please!!

**SOULFLY** · 01-17-2006, 01:50 PM

Hello all!

Please help. I would like some advice on a first time cycle based around tabs only, there is no way I am going near a needle - I am a wuss I know!

I am aged 30, 6ft and 210lbs and have been training on and off for many years.

I would appriciate any help.

**dirtyvegas** · 01-17-2006, 01:52 PM

dont even bother then. Stick around the board and learn, read the steroid profile section...
dv

**PaulieM.** · 01-17-2006, 02:11 PM

everyone will tell you if you're not ready to inject-you're not ready for steroids

**beezlebubb666** · 01-17-2006, 02:15 PM

plus if you love your liver you wont do that to it

**toolman** · 01-17-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by SOULFLY

Hello all!

Please help. I would like some advice on a first time cycle based around tabs only, there is no way I am going near a needle - I am a wuss I know!

I am aged 30, 6ft and 210lbs and have been training on and off for many years.

I would appriciate any help.

First, training on and off is not the time to hit gear. You shouldn't run your first cycle until you have been lifting religiously for at least a couple years straight. Second, alot of us wanted to start tabs only but soon learned that it is not safe on the liver and the gains and options that are available via injectables are far superior to tabs. I know you don't want to hear it, but if you plan on running a cycle, you have to have the balls to use pins. That said, it is very easy, painless and alot of threads on here of guys that felt they were to scared, etc. and did it anyway. All of us were.

**SS1476** · 01-17-2006, 02:32 PM

Its not that bad, my first was a
scary one, only cause I made it
out to be. After that, each shot
was easier than the last. Next thing
you know, your craving that pin

**velvetlion** · 01-17-2006, 02:41 PM

Do some research on how to inject, and if you are still scared to do it yourself, have someone you trust do it for you. But you will soon realize that there isn't always going to be someone around when you need them.

Orals only is pretty much a waste, and hard on your liver. When you think steroids , you should think needle. If you can't handle that, you can't handle steroids.

**Booz** · 01-17-2006, 02:46 PM

30 and scared of needles???are you sure mate?the only cycle that you could do would be var,but to get anythin out of a var only cycle it would cost you a mint mate!

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 03:27 PM

Here's one (but only oral for this "long" period of time is not recommended):
Week 1-3: Dbol @50mg ED
Week 3-6: Dbol @25mg ED
Week 3-8: Winstrol @50mg ED
Week 6-8: Anavar @30mg ED
Week 1-12: Lot's of Milk Thistle

Std. Nolva+Clomid for PCT.

**toolman** · 01-17-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

Here's one (but only oral for this "long" period of time is not recommended):
Week 1-3: Dbol @50mg ED
Week 3-6: Dbol @25mg ED
Week 3-8: Winstrol @50mg ED
Week 6-8: Anavar @30mg ED
Week 1-12: Lot's of Milk Thistle

Std. Nolva+Clomid for PCT.

This cycle is garbage. Are you kidding me recommending 3 17 aas in the same cycle?!?

**Chocolate** · 01-17-2006, 04:35 PM

I am scared of the boogey man but i still sleep with the lights off.
simple and plain STOP being a wuss.

and do not, whatever you do, do that oral only cycle listed above. most orals are only menat to be taken a max of 6 weeks, and for some that is pushing it too far. you might as well go out and drink rubbing alcohol if you want to kill your liver.

**SS1476** · 01-17-2006, 04:38 PM

Yea, I agree. Dont do that cycle
recommended above. Im no expert
but the toolman sumed it up! garbage..

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 04:48 PM

... that's the price for beeing a wuus! He asked for an oral only, he got it!
I've never recommended it, this is "hardcore" oral cycle.
Other oral cycle options is var or tbol only, but there will be NO massive gains. The cycle above is harch as hell to your liver, so I'll recommend injections.

**SS1476** · 01-17-2006, 04:52 PM

"hardcore:? OK..first Im seeing
a 'hardcore" pill plan here.

Thanks for clearing that up for him,
and expanding your view on it.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 01-17-2006, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

Here's one (but only oral for this "long" period of time is not recommended):
Week 1-3: Dbol @50mg ED
Week 3-6: Dbol @25mg ED
Week 3-8: Winstrol @50mg ED
Week 6-8: Anavar @30mg ED
Week 1-12: Lot's of Milk Thistle

Std. Nolva+Clomid for PCT.

DO NOT DO THIS CYCLE EVER!!!!!!
week 1-12 lots of milk thristle???? are you serious?

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by SS1476

"hardcore:? OK..first Im seeing
a 'hardcore" pill plan here.

Thanks for clearing that up for him,
and expanding your view on it.

It's an oral only cycle, what more to say? An oral only stack is hard to set up because you have no real base compounds either. Because var and winstrol block the aromatisation of Dbol , there isn't much post-cycle estrogen so the use of clomid/Nolva afterwards is limited but still advised. It should be started immediately after the cycle is over. One should take a long break off any type of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids after this cycle as the liver will have taken a severe beating.

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

DO NOT DO THIS CYCLE EVER!!!!!!
week 1-12 lots of milk thristle???? are you serious?

Milk @280-720mg ED is recommended

**BlackStang** · 01-17-2006, 05:06 PM

Check it:

Tbol/Var Cycle Diary - First Cycle

**Hellmaskbanned** · 01-17-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

Here's one (but only oral for this "long" period of time is not recommended):
Week 1-3: Dbol @50mg ED
Week 3-6: Dbol @25mg ED
Week 3-8: Winstrol @50mg ED
Week 6-8: Anavar @30mg ED
Week 1-12: Lot's of Milk Thistle

Std. Nolva+Clomid for PCT.

so this is the cycle you would advise for a 1st timer?

Is this cycle a bulking or cutting? or both

dbol dose goes down at week 3, shouldn't it go up if any change at all?
50mgs for a 1st time dbol user?

winstrol 5 weeks.....ok I guess he's cutting now

2 weeks of anavar at 30mgs? whats the use of that?

No anti E's what if he gets gyno? or do all them counteract eachother out some magical way...

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

so this is the cycle you would advise for a 1st timer?

Is this cycle a bulking or cutting? or both

dbol dose goes down at week 3, shouldn't it go up if any change at all?
50mgs for a 1st time dbol user?

winstrol 5 weeks.....ok I guess he's cutting now

2 weeks of anavar at 30mgs? whats the use of that?

No anti E's what if he gets gyno? or do all them counteract eachother out some magical way...

-Yes
-Yes
-No
-Yes
-Not much
-No, yes. But you should always be safe

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 05:16 PM

Not to be an a$$hole, but do you have any better options Hellmask?
Please show what you got, I'm interested in others opinions as well

**Hellmaskbanned** · 01-17-2006, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

Not to be an a$$hole, but do you have any better options Hellmask?
Please show what you got, I'm interested in others opinions as well

Tbol/anavar cycle is something I've been considering lately.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 01-17-2006, 05:19 PM

Primobolan depot
Anavar
Maybe add test c,e,or prop is also a cycle that gets my attention.

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Tbol/anavar cycle is something I've been considering lately.

Good option

**Streitingen** · 01-17-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Primobolan depot
Anavar
Maybe add test c,e,or prop is also a cycle that gets my attention.

I'm thinking Primo @500mg EW, test cyp @300mg EW and winstrol @50mg ED... dry like a bone in the end of week 10

**flabbywussy** · 01-17-2006, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Tbol/anavar cycle is something I've been considering lately.

i'm currently running these with no sides except some extra sweating

**Hellmaskbanned** · 01-17-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

I'm thinking Primo @500mg EW, test cyp @300mg EW and winstrol @50mg ED... dry like a bone in the end of week 10

My joints already have there problems, winstrol scares me.
Nice cycle, I would do

primo@600+
test cyp@400
and substitute the winstrol for some var and run it at 50mgs throughout the entire cycle.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 01-17-2006, 05:31 PM

empty wallet but nice gains lol

**toolman** · 01-17-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

It's an oral only cycle, what more to say? An oral only stack is hard to set up because you have no real base compounds either. Because var and winstrol block the aromatisation of Dbol, there isn't much post-cycle estrogen so the use of clomid/Nolva afterwards is limited but still advised. It should be started immediately after the cycle is over. One should take a long break off any type of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids after this cycle as the liver will have taken a severe beating.

Bro you are obviously clueless to what these compounds are or do so stop giving out crappy advice. First, your cycle is dangerous and useless. Second you say Var and winstrol are anti aromitization agents...!!??Since when. Just because they do not convert to estrogen, they do nothing to keep the dbol from converting. You say clomids use afterwards is limited but again you are dead wrong. Each of those compounds alone will shut down the hpta so why would their uses be limited?!? You have no idea of what you are talking about and should read up rather than offer BS cycles which could hurt a guy if he is stupid enough to believe you have any idea what you are talking about.

**Milky87** · 01-17-2006, 10:18 PM

I would say Tbol, or pick up a bottle of the currently legal 'supplements' such as Superdrol or Pheraplex

**toolman** · 01-18-2006, 05:07 PM

If you insist on running an oral only, you can run a dbol cycle for 6-8 weeks. I don't like them and there is alot of bloat, but unlike most will say, with proper PTC and diet you will keep some gains.

**Booz** · 01-18-2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Bro you are obviously clueless to what these compounds are or do so stop giving out crappy advice. First, your cycle is dangerous and useless. Second you say Var and winstrol are anti aromitization agents...!!??Since when. Just because they do not convert to estrogen, they do nothing to keep the dbol from converting. You say clomids use afterwards is limited but again you are dead wrong. Each of those compounds alone will shut down the hpta so why would their uses be limited?!? You have no idea of what you are talking about and should read up rather than offer BS cycles which could hurt a guy if he is stupid enough to believe you have any idea what you are talking about.

**powerliftmike** · 01-18-2006, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by booz

30 and scared of needles???are you sure mate?the only cycle that you could do would be var,but to get anythin out of a var only cycle it would cost you a mint mate!

Exactly. You could run a var only cycle, but personally I wouldnt.

**powerliftmike** · 01-18-2006, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

Here's one (but only oral for this "long" period of time is not recommended):
Week 1-3: Dbol @50mg ED
Week 3-6: Dbol @25mg ED
Week 3-8: Winstrol @50mg ED
Week 6-8: Anavar @30mg ED
Week 1-12: Lot's of Milk Thistle

Std. Nolva+Clomid for PCT.

That is an irresponsible cycle. You think some piss ass herbal supp is going to protect your liver and your lipid profile?

**Streitingen** · 01-18-2006, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Bro you are obviously clueless to what these compounds are or do so stop giving out crappy advice. First, your cycle is dangerous and useless. Second you say Var and winstrol are anti aromitization agents...!!??Since when. Just because they do not convert to estrogen, they do nothing to keep the dbol from converting. You say clomids use afterwards is limited but again you are dead wrong. Each of those compounds alone will shut down the hpta so why would their uses be limited?!? You have no idea of what you are talking about and should read up rather than offer BS cycles which could hurt a guy if he is stupid enough to believe you have any idea what you are talking about.

I've NEVER recommended this cycle, oral only is mainly crap. I admit that I shouldn't typed it in here, excpesially not for an 1st timer.
Anyway this cycle is "recommended" from an big internet site... (not this forum though)

**Streitingen** · 01-18-2006, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

That is an irresponsible cycle. You think some piss ass herbal supp is going to protect your liver and your lipid profile?

As I said, NOT recommanded. But probably the only oral cycle that will give some mass (and a f***ed up liver after a while). Sorry for posting options...

**toolman** · 01-18-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Streitingen

I've NEVER recommended this cycle, oral only is mainly crap. I admit that I shouldn't typed it in here, excpesially not for an 1st timer.
Anyway this cycle is "recommended" from an big internet site... (not this forum though)

OK, just try to keep your advice to actual knowledge rather than posting what you read on a site, as it is dead wrong. Nothing wrong with your enthusiasm or desire to help, but limit it to cycles you have run yourself and compounds you are well read on and experienced with.