Thread: Cycle questions
05-22-2002, 12:48 PM #1New Member
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If a person was to do a cycle of:
Sustenon 250-250mg per amp
Dianabol -5mg tabs
Deca Durabolin -200mg amp-(I think-not sure)
What anti-estrogens should be taken and how much/how long should they be taken for.
Clomid is already in hand to use at the end of the cycle-still don't know how much for how long?
Then when should I be using proviron , nolvadex , or liquidex and for how long and how much.
I would like a lot of input on this cycle-more than one reply. The more people who agree the better I feel about the results.
I have added these stats:
Male age 20
2.5 years lifting experience (strong base)
plan to do this next fall
05-22-2002, 12:56 PM #2Associate Member
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Clomid is taken three weeks after your last injection 300mgs the first day,100 for 10days and 50 for 10days. As for the anti-e's, nothing is availible for the progesterone gyno that deca can cause. As for the test converting have nolvadex on hand but don't take it unless symptoms develope as it will hinder gains. Or you could take arimidex /liquidex the whole way through. As far as a cycle this would be my suggestion:
dbol 25-40mgs ED
weeks 1-10 to 12
sus 250-500mgs a week since it is your first 250 should be enough
deca 300-400mgs a week
weeks either 13-15 or 15-18
05-22-2002, 01:04 PM #3
JRobs' plan looks good to me.
Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno or a better plan would be to run arimidex (liquidex) @ .5mg for the entire 10-12 weeks.
Clomid week 13 (or week 15 if you run a 12 week cycle) day 1 - 300mg, next 10 days - 100mg/day, next 10 days - 50mg/day
BTW....2.5 years lifting IS NOT a strong base. It's a decent base at best, you could still make great gains naturally but that's your decision.
05-22-2002, 03:05 PM #4
Go with Test. Enathate or Cypionate instead of Sustanon .
Q: Should I use Sustanon (Omnadren)? Why is Sustanon different?
A: Sustanon (and Omnadren , a different brand, but very similar) is a mix of four different amounts of four different testosterone esters. (See “Different kinds of testosterone” above for a short explanation of testosterone esters). Each ester in Sustanon releases testosterone into the blood at a different rate, thus making it hard to keep blood levels even.
To illustrate: imagine you have four different size buckets, each with a different size hole. You want to keep the total amount flowing out of ALL four buckets the same, but you can only refill all four buckets at the same time. That’s pretty hard to do--just like keeping testosterone levels even with Sustanon.
If you inject Sustanon once a week, you will have a fairly uneven testosterone levels in your blood. If you inject two times a week, you will have more stable levels, more than three times a week and you will have fairly steady blood levels--but 750mg+ a week of testosterone is a lot and will also increase the risks of side-effects.
For most users, a single, slow-release ester like testosterone cypionate or testosterone enathate is usually a better choice.
Q: What is Nolvadex / Arimidex / Liquidex / Proviron? How do I prevent gyno / bitch tits?
A: Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate), Arimidex / Liquidex (anastrozole) and Proviron (mesterlone) all act as anti-estrogens (sometimes called anti-e’s).
Estrogen is naturally found in the male body in small amounts, however, when taking certain steroids , an excess of estrogen can be created through a process called aromitization. This abnormally large concentration of estrogen can cause some undesirable side effects, such as enlargement of the breasts (commonly referred to as “gyno” or “bitch tits”), female pattern fat distribution and water retention. (Gyno can also be caused by high concentrations of estrogen relative the your body’s level of testosterone, so gyno can be problem all the way through the end of Clomid therapy.)
Not all people who use steroids experience any estrogen related problems. Many people have taken many cycles at high dosages without using any anti-estrogens and have reported that they experienced no symptoms of gyno. Other people can take a small dose of steroids for one cycle and develop noticeable enlargement of the breast.
Estrogen can be blocked in two ways: you can block it from aromatizing, or you can block it from binding to the estrogen receptors in the body.
Nolvadex prevents estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors in the body. Nolvadex is generally taken only if and when symptoms of gyno appear. The typical dosage is 80mg the first day, 40mg every day until the symptoms subside and 20mg a day through the end of Clomid therapy. If you are taking low-moderate doses of steroids (200-600mg a week falls into that class) you can halve the Nolvadex dose.
Arimidex, Liquidex and Proviron all function as aromatase inhibitors and work by blocking estrogen from forming. Most body builders prefer to block the estrogen from forming, because in addition to preventing gyno, it also decreases water retention and keeps the body looking harder. Typical dosages for Arimidex are 0.25 mg a day to 0.5mg a day, with 0.25mg a day being average. Proviron is typically taken at a dosage of 50mg a day.
ALWAYS have an anti-estrogen on hand when you take steroids! Tits look great--but not on men! Even if you take an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex or Proviron, you should keep some Nolvadex on hand just in case the dose you are taking is too low and you start to see symptoms of gyno appear.
Q: What is Clomid? How do I take Clomid?
A: Clomid (clomiphene citrate) helps the male testes to restore natural testosterone production. Clomid is taken on the following schedule: 300mg the first day, 100mg a day for the next ten days and 50mg a day for another 10 days.
Click here for an excellent FAQ on Clomid.
Q: When should I start Clomid after my cycle?
A: When the LAST of the steroids are out of your system. Here is a chart that illustrates how long it takes specific steroids to get out of your system:
Anadrol : 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca : 3 weeks after last injection and Clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol : 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 17 – 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enathate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol : 8 – 12 hours after last administration
Wait until ALL the steroids you have taken have been metabolized! For example, if you stop taking testosterone enathate (2 weeks) and Winstrol (12 hours) at the same time, wait 2 weeks!
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