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01-23-2004, 12:01 PM #1New Member
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2nd Cycle / Stack with Dbol? / EQ & SUS
My first Cycle was simply for bulking and I ran an 8 week (short) cycle of DECA and SUS (gained about 18 lbs, and lost about 8 lbs after cycle).
I have 4 bottles of 10ml TT EQ (200/ml)
I have 22 IU's of SUS 250 (250mg each)
I have 200 Dbol 5mg tablets
40 tables of Novalex (40mg)
20 tables of Clomid (50mg)
I am 5'9" 182 lbs, and about 11% body fat, 27 years old, been lifting on and off for 7 years.
I want to run a lean mass building cycle while gaining about 12-20 lbs of lean mass, and then stay reasonably cut. Here are 2 different proposed stacks that I'm thinking of using, not sure if I should use Dbol? Afraid of too much bloating?
Week 1 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 2 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 3 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 10 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 11 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 12 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 13-15 = Off
Week 16-18 = Clomid 50mg/day
OR
Week 1 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 45mg/day
Week 2 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 45mg/day
Week 3 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 25mg/day
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 25mg/day
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 25mg/day
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 15mg/day
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 15mg/day
Week 10 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 11 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 12 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 13-15 = OFF
Week 16-18 Clomid 50mg/day
Remember that I'm trying to stay cut but gain mass, and I am not sure if I should stack the Dbol or not? Allso when should I take the Novalex (during and after my cycle?)
Thanks for the info!
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01-23-2004, 12:08 PM #2
keep the sust and d-bol at the same dosage throughout the cycle, do not taper...it would be better if you get a single ester test like enan or cyp...jmo
sust 250 500mg/wk wks1-10
eq 400mg/wk wks 1-10
d-bol 30-35mg wks 1-4
nolva 10mg/ed througout cycle
PCT-clomid/nolva
also it would be better if you get more gear and run both for 12 weeks..
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01-23-2004, 12:10 PM #3
Well there are a couple problems. Sust needs to be taken eod or e3d. Dont taper the dbol or sust and dont run dbol for more then 5 weeks. I would run it more like this
1-4 dbol 35mg
1-10 sust 250 e3d
1-10 eq 400 (200mg with each shot of sust)
20mg nolv a day
pct
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01-23-2004, 12:13 PM #4New Member
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Originally Posted by TRE
Btw: what is eod or e3d? thanks
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01-23-2004, 12:15 PM #5
eod or e3d= every other day or every 3 days....
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01-23-2004, 12:15 PM #6
every other day eod
every 3rd day e3d
Most likely yes, up the nolv while on the dbol and it should help.
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01-23-2004, 12:23 PM #7New Member
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Originally Posted by TRE
Week 1 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 2 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 3 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 10 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 11-12 = off
Week 13-16 = Clomid 50mg / day
Also CAN I USE Propecia during this cycle and Nizoral 2% Shampoo. I did NOT use it when I was on Deca , and I'm starting to take it again after waiting 4 weeks of OFF Cycle. Will the Propecia have any conflicts with the SUS, EQ and Dbol?
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01-25-2004, 05:58 PM #8
I thought you should wait three weeks until PCT with Sust. I'm in my 6th week of Sust. only cycle.
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01-25-2004, 06:32 PM #9
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01-26-2006, 11:17 PM #10
Bro, to get any benefit from EQ gotta run it at 600mg/wk, or at least 400... Go with TRE's advice, sounds like he knows what he's talking about....
D-bol rocks but get ready for the bloat, run Arimidex at .5mg and no water issuesLast edited by DIANABOLIO; 01-26-2006 at 11:20 PM.
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01-27-2006, 05:02 AM #11Originally Posted by DIANABOLIO
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01-27-2006, 05:08 AM #12
Week 1 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 2 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 3 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 10 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 11 - Sus (500mg) Eq (400mg) Nolv 10mg
Week 12 - Sus (500mg) Nolv 10mg
You could run var, halo or winny for the last few weeks and up till pct if u wanted as well, to help harden u up! If you really want to keep the bloat under control I would consider some adex or proviron as well.
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01-27-2006, 05:10 AM #13
Run sust eod as well, you will not experience its full benefits unless its run eod. I am currently running it ed, but I cant decide whether its more effective than when ive run it eod!
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