first cycle

**kolbety** · 01-29-2006, 02:00 PM

This is my first cycle. 44yrs old very little training experience. My question is? would this be a good cycle for me?
wks 1-10
T- cypionate 400mg
Deca 200mg
T-propionate75mg ED wks 1-4
novadex 10mg ED wks 1-10, 20mg ED wks 11-15
clomid PCT 3wks as described in novice cycle 2-3
also should I use HCG ?

Any comments?

**Gra** · 01-29-2006, 02:04 PM

I would leave the deca out. No hcg .

**Booz** · 01-29-2006, 02:06 PM

too much for a 1st cycle mate!
what is very little training exp?

**DSM4Life** · 01-29-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by kolbety

This is my first cycle. 44yrs old very little training experience. My question is? would this be a good cycle for me?
wks 1-10
T- cypionate 400mg
Deca 200mg
T-propionate75mg ED wks 1-4
novadex 10mg ED wks 1-10, 20mg ED wks 11-15
clomid PCT 3wks as described in novice cycle 2-3
also should I use HCG ?

Any comments?

"very little training experience" I would leave out any gear at this point. You are going to just lose all your results when you come off.

**sp9** · 01-29-2006, 02:12 PM

You should talk to your doctor about hormone replacement therapy. If he does a check for your test levels and they are low, you could qualify for a perscription.

I would also say you would want to go with just a long acting test like test enan or cyp by itself for a first time. But why do that with black market drugs when you might be able to get your stuff from the pharmacy legally?

While your training and diet should be in order before you do a cycle for size and strength, there are many other benefits to using test if your natural test is low.

**kolbety** · 01-29-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by booz

too much for a 1st cycle mate!
what is very little training exp?

Just satrting to wook out

**kolbety** · 01-29-2006, 03:28 PM

Thanks for the input...do if I drop the deca and dont use HSG does everthing else look ok?

**Booz** · 01-29-2006, 03:35 PM

a 1st cycle should consist of nothing else apart from 500mg test e/cypionate weekly for 10-12 weeks,but before embarking on this i would do as sp9 has stated abouve and get your training and diet in order 1st.imo if you have not got at least 2 years training under your belt i would not bother with drugs,as you really need a base of muscle to work off!

**kloter1** · 01-29-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by booz

a 1st cycle should consist of nothing else apart from 500mg test e/cypionate weekly for 10-12 weeks,but before embarking on this i would do as sp9 has stated abouve and get your training and diet in order 1st.imo if you have not got at least 2 years training under your belt i would not bother with drugs,as you really need a base of muscle to work off!

excellent advice booz. i agree.

**kolbety** · 01-29-2006, 03:40 PM

If I use nothing but test cypionate do I need to still use clomid? and should I keep nolvadex on hand?

**Booz** · 01-29-2006, 03:46 PM

yes you will still need post course therapy (pct) mate,and yes you must keep nolvadex at hand!
if you are from the states you should do what sp9 has stated,go to the doctors and he may prescribe you hrt!

**kolbety** · 01-29-2006, 03:53 PM

tryed the doctor thing and although my levels were in the low 300's he wouldnt prescribe anything. so Im doing the next best thing and trying to get some good advice and good cycle information. Lots to learn..some many test to look at sus, test e, test c, so on and so forth. I just want a good mass building first cycle.

**sp9** · 01-29-2006, 04:46 PM

Stick with test e or test c. Sust is a blend of both short ad long acting tests and must be shot more frequently to get any use out of the short acting test, and is harder to keep steady levels in your system which can cause more side effects.

**kolbety** · 01-29-2006, 05:02 PM

Thanks sp9. Would you recomend 400mg of test c? and can I use t-propionate in the first part of my cycle?

**sp9** · 01-29-2006, 07:06 PM

Yes, you can use prop to kick start. Refer to your other thread for those answers. I know people in their 40's that have kick started with dbol , but you really have to watch your BP and if it's not perfect to start with prop is a much better alternative.

I would also refer you back to everyone else's comments that you should get your diet and training in order for a few months before starting. Test likely give you some other benefits associated with replacement therapy as well, so I can understand your interest in starting.