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anyone here go all year round
or cruise inbetween cycles?
what are the pro/cons of this
i've just started a 5month cycle and if i can still afford it
i may extend it indefinitely
i'm not sure on cruisng - i hear of people doin 250mg cyp a week
but what are the benefits?
your natty test levels presumably wont recover so is it just a matter
of giving your receptors a rest
any opinions?
5 months on cycle and you will probaly qualify for HRT, afterwards. Its going to be difficult to bring HPTA back to normal after tour natty-test has been asleep for so long.
The people I know who is has startet cruising at young age has regret it. It gets old quick when you have to stick yourselves to feel normal!
I favour moderat to shorter cycles, as its much easier to keep gains!
cruising/bridging/coasting are not ideal IMHO,its very hard to fully recover when you use these methods especialy when you get older, the best gains are produced when your body is fresh and clean from gear, with every successive cycle you will have to keep increasing the dose just to get some kind of gains out of the cycle,
ive been on all year round in the past with a bridge of 250mg-350mg and personaly i would rather fully come off recover and maintain without any kind of cruising, the gains are far better and my body responds more, also i am firm believer in the short heavy cycles rather than a 20 weeker these days they are much better,
i see what your saying marcus
i did a 3 monther went off for 2 weeks then back on again
for 3months and my gains in those last 3 months were negligable
i think youre right - leaving time to recover is the best option
mind u i have to disagree with Vitor
HRT after 5 months????
BB's are on all year round and i know someone
who has just come off a 2 year cycle and has only lost a couple
of Kg in 4 months
i recovered fine after my 6month cycle too with the help of slin , heavy pct with
HCG
as you get older and more and more cycles you do with cruising you will find it harder work to fully recover and hrt will come sooner than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Force
yeah i agree with Marcus,id rather come off and get my natty back,fvck having to do hrt for the rest of my life!not sooner than i have to anyways!!
What can I say marcus has told the truth and the reality of cruising,I have always been strict in this approach and Learned from real veterans like marcus this is not the way to go.I seen people mess up doing this,You want to play and go a little crazy try a 30 day Paul Borresen cycle.I have have never done a cycle over 14 weeks and never will.
goose4..
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Originally Posted by goose4
yeah i agree with what is being said
i wont bother extending my cycle anymore
i may even shorten it depending on gains
there are plenty of people always on however
but i dont compete so i suppose there is no need
i just hate being off cycle
i'm sure most can relate to that
We all hate being off cycle,thats why I use HGH,Clen,IGF(never again), as you know G-force slin very soon.
goose4..
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Originally Posted by goose4
never again with IGF? whyys that?
i havent tried it yet
I have tried HGH (no results off 7monther believe it or not) and slin
Well IGF is a long story.....but to cut it short....I can only go by what I and two Friends discovered,it`s just a fat burner,a very Expensive one,but the idea you can add LBM just did not happen to us,the problem was at first we used it just in PCT so it give an illusion it adds LBM.It`s an ok product,but forget it if you want LBM.
To get good results with HGH at our age,you have to play with a high dose 9-15iu,this is when you will see the magic happen,at a cost I know.
goose4..
i didnt get anyhting from HGH other than a badly beaten bank account
was using 4ius - think i upped it to 6 toward the end
i wont bother with it again (or igf) not for a good few years anyway
how about proviron in between cycles???? it doesnt effect natty test - and it increases libido
Some guys only come off when bloodwork shows they need too. If you use hcg year round too with your cycle, you shouldnt need hrt when coming off.
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cheers mike
yeah i'm using HCG half way thru my 5month cycle
and just before PCT
Proviron is greate in PCT. It keeps libido and strenght up! It also supresses estrogen so there will be far less negetive feedback, which helps in recovery. Its been some studies that proviron up to 150mgs ed didnt affect HPTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Force
Could you give us a more indepth write up on your experience w/ IGF? Its awesome to hear someone's real and unbiased experiences-- really the only others we hear from on IGF are the vets/mods in the IGF/HGH forumQuote:
Originally Posted by G-Force
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Originally Posted by FLBMWMech
were u directing that question at goose?
i've not run igf yet
You can become desensitized to LH from over using HCG which will guarantee you a need for testosterone replacement. IFG or GH should be done while IN a cycle because the combination of this and steroids can cause whole new muscle fibers to form. Doing it in PCT is just waisting the stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Force
Well to cruise at 250 mg all year, its reasonably safe, this dose is about double that a healthy 25 year old would make, although it can cause tollerance build up and SHBG build up. In otherwords, many of us actually DO recover our testosterone levels, but the free testosterone is near zero because of SHBG's... this is where time off is good... your SHBG's do nothing but go down in off cycle, lowering your tollerance... however you can take a chinese herbal which is known to further accellerate the decline of SHBG's as well as stimulate your balls similarly to HCG, that is tongkat ali. My opinion, tongkat ali is a better choice to take then HCG because while it can stimulate natural production and increase ball size DURING a cycle, but it also lowers SHBG's at the same time (lowering tollerance to steroids). Ideal would be take tongkat year round on and off cycle. By controlling your SHBG's you also might find you dont need to increase doses with each cycle so there is food for thought there. Recent news is they have isolated tongkat's active ingrediant and it wont be long before its synthesized and will be going into testing with FDA as a realistic treatment and replacement for testosterone in TRT/HRT.
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
wow good info
ive never bothered with tongkat ali in the past but i will after reading that
can the effects be enhanced with tribulus?
What about using low dose Proviron with your 250mg cruise to lower SHBG.
Pinn seems to be one whole year...