Pgf2a...sub Q

Tried 0.5cc sub Q on each side of my lower back. It doesn't hurt much and the sides are definitely less. Only thing is that you can feel it affecting your stomach andintestines and such for longer than with intra-muscularly. Sub Q sems to be a
pleasant break from IM and if you're doing only sub Q then you have little to complain about. I don't think that IM is that much worse with the exception of a few places. I'm gonna try my chest tomorrow if I can work up the balls for it. It's a bit closer to my heart than I like but I guess I'll see. So far though, I have felt no stress on the ole ticker. It's not as obviously hard on the body as most steroids. For instance, many steroids tend to make you winded after standing up let alone walking up a flight of stairs. They are also hard on the liver, kidneys, heart, etc. and pgf2a sems to be none of those. If it works well for me, then it would seem to me to be a legitimate alternative to gear and an excellent means of bridging.

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Originally posted by Nathan
Tried 0.5cc sub Q on each side of my lower back. It doesn't hurt much and the sides are definitely less. Only thing is that you can feel it affecting your stomach andintestines and such for longer than with intra-muscularly. Sub Q sems to be a
pleasant break from IM and if you're doing only sub Q then you have little to complain about. I don't think that IM is that much worse with the exception of a few places. I'm gonna try my chest tomorrow if I can work up the balls for it. It's a bit closer to my heart than I like but I guess I'll see. So far though, I have felt no stress on the ole ticker. It's not as obviously hard on the body as most steroids. For instance, many steroids tend to make you winded after standing up let alone walking up a flight of stairs. They are also hard on the liver, kidneys, heart, etc. and pgf2a sems to be none of those. If it works well for me, then it would seem to me to be a legitimate alternative to gear and an excellent means of bridging.

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How is your muscle mass and the effects of taking the PGF2A? Are you holding your weight and such?

Question of the day.
What is PGF2A?

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Originally posted by cnyce89
Question of the day.
What is PGF2A?

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Perhaps this will shed a little light on the subject...

PGF2A Report by Ranger:


PROSTAGLANDIN'S! Prostaglandin F2 Alpha (PGF2A) Lutalyse


Is PGF2A for me?


Is PGF2A for everyone? Clearly not! Will it work? Yes! In this
information, I will try to cover as much as possible about this drug. What I
have put together here is based much upon personal experiences…. I feel
no report can accurately prepare you for everything…. PGF2A is no
exception! Contributing to this report are Big Brother Val, Ranger, Jeff rys,
BigDawg, and E2, from the Elite Fitness Discussion board Mr. Nobody,
and Efigy…. Thank you all for your patience!


PGF2A and anabolism.


Many studies have demonstrated an anabolic effect of PGF2A in skeletal
muscles of both humans and animals. Paradoxically, PGF2A usage is still
reserved to a bodybuilding elite and no one is willing to divulge its
precious secret edge. One of the most remarkable effects of PGF2A is
that it potentates the anabolic effects of insulin. By combining PGF2A,
and insulin athletes can use much less insulin and get a much better
muscle building effect than with insulin alone.


Is PGF2A safe?


The answer is clearly no, but neither is the use of steroids, insulin,
clenbuterol, etc. By the way, PGF2A is invisible at any drug test. What
kind of side effects to expect? The main side effect -- if we exclude
the elevation of temperature - is a strong laxative effect. So make sure
you have unrestricted use of a bathroom. This lasts around 20 minutes.
What you do not want is to inject PGF2A into a vein! Learn to do the
aspiration test. PGF2A is injected intramuscularly with an insulin needle
if you are lean enough. Injecting in a vein will hurt like hell and for
a very long time (up to an hour). You may feel as if you have a cold in
your throat. This is due to the vasoconstriction effect PGF2A has in
the lungs. Vomiting is a reported side effect but I have never heard of
it in men.


PGF2A is not to be confused with steroids.


Although part of the anabolic actions of androgens are from a local
release of PGF2A. PGF2A produces growth in a radically different way from
steroids -- While steroid use is rather comfortable. PGF2A is used in a
radically different way than Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids. With AS
You inject or swallow them occasionally and wait for the growth to
occur. This is not the case with PGF2A. PGF2A's main drawback is its
difficult method of administration. Steroids once injected exert their effect
for several days in the body. PGF2A's duration is only several minutes
though its stimulatory action on anabolism lasts several hours. This
means that to be effective, frequent injections are compulsory. An ideal
injection schedule would be five times daily, 30 minutes after meals.
You will also notice immediately after injecting PGF2A into the muscle,
the injection site becomes sore almost immediately. If the muscle was
already sore from training, the pain may become intense. You defini!
tely do not want to repeat injections to the same location, hence the
necessity of rotation. Additionally, you will notice you cannot inject
into a muscle and then train that muscle. PGF2A is algesic (a pain
mediator). Therefore, the timing of injections is key. You should wait for
at least 2 to 3 days after you have trained a muscle before using it for
an injection. Then you will have to wait for 24 hours before training
this muscle. Again If your muscle is sore, I advise not injecting into
it until it is not sore. You will also learn that it is more comfortable
to inject the outer part of the muscle rather than the inner part. For
example, it is less painful to hit the outer head of the triceps than
the inner head that touches the lats. Some bodyparts such as the biceps
and back are especially sensitive to the pain sensation PGF2A will
induce.


The personals!!!


This section contains a lot of personal experiences, and side effects
with this new drug…


Big Brother Val!


According to Val pumps are INSANE! In addition, Val, as the rest of us
found; needed the unrestricted use of the bathroom…Does it hurt? In
Val's words, " This shit is awesome…Hurts like fucking hell!" As Val
stayed with the injections, and SLOWLY increased the dosage, we got a report
from him at the 2-week point of the cycle. Injections and dosages
varied, but I will relate this as Val told it, " Hitting the arms 12 times a
day….3 in each Biceps, 3 in each Triceps, for a total of 6cc's a day. I
am being burned out on injecting myself so often, especially in the
Biceps. The pain is reducing now, and I do not feel sick. Still get
shortness of breath, and tightness in the chest each time. There is a visible
difference in growth thus far, and my body fat has dropped
significally." As you can see, and as most of us found, the injections become a
major burden to deal with, the benefit though, is the visible growth all
of us have saw…it is a very hard choice. This was taken off the E!
litefitness Board as one of Big Brother Val's Post's! I was injecting
my arms 4 times a week. It went like this: Sun:..shoot/arms......
lift/rest Mon:..shoot/shoulders..lift/arms, pump/chest
Tues:.shoot/shoulders..lift/back, pump/shouders Wed:..shoot/shoulders..lift/legs
Thurs.shoot/arms.......lift/chest, pump/arms Fri:..shoot/arms.......lift/shoulders,
pump/calves Sat:..shoot/arms.......lift/rest Then repeat. I've switched
it up a bit, and have found a lot better response... in a matter of a
few days, I have new stretch marks starting on my tri's... and my arms
have never felt so full. Now my lifting schedule is the same. However, I
switched up the dosage on PGF2A. I read in the articles by Dharkam that
you should shoot 24 hours before training a muscle... then wait 2 days
after that to shoot it again. Maybe even three days if you train hard
enough. I personally have found that if I shoot the muscle group the
same day I train it... that my lifts go better... my pumps are abso!
lutely incredible... and I keep my pump a lot longer, as well as feel
more pumped the next couple of days. Now I follow this schedule:
Sun:..shoot/arms...... lift/rest Mon:..shoot/ARMS.......lift/arms, pump/chest
Tues:.shoot/shoulders..lift/back, pump/shouders
Wed:..shoot/shoulders..lift/legs Thurs.shoot/arms.......lift/chest, pump/arms
Fri:..shoot/SHOULDERS.......lift/shoulders, pump/calves
Sat:..shoot/arms.......lift/rest Then repeat. Val wrote "It's only a switch of two days... but for my
personal results it's really working great. On arm day, I take six cc's
throughout the day. I will up the dosage coming up next week, and see
how that goes. My side effects are gone... besides the odd feeling in
the chest... and the intense muscle pain. Just thought I would give an
update for those interested in this." I have just come off a Sustanon,
Eq. cycle... and will be doing a cycle of test, Eq, and Dbol after my
PGF2A run. The pain sucks, absolutely. However, I want to focus on my !
arms and deltas, so they can catch up. A lot harder to do on regular
gear. "My poundage's are definitely affected. Not nearly as dramatic as
stated in that article, though. I was curling 65 lb. dumbbells for eight
reps before I started this. Now I'm curling 45 lb. dumbbells and hoping
for eight. The pump is insane." "One of the great things, is that you
can REALLY feel the muscle working. Really, helps to focus on that
muscle group and feel it work throughout the entire range of motion. The
pain factor is intense... and the muscle REALLY burns bad while training
it. More so when you shoot on the same day you train it. That feeling
isn't as intense if you stop shooting that muscle 24 hours before you
train it." "I'm never sore after a workout the following day, but hot damn
am I sore after each shot." "Well.... the muscle pain you experience is
INTENSE!! Right now for example... I hit arms on my lunch break... (got
the most incredible pump I have EVER had, by the way), came bac!
k, and shot in the bathroom. My arms hurt so badly right now, I can't
explain it. Can't bend 'em very well, or straighten them all the way....
I have a tight feeling in the chest... Nevertheless, GODDAMN!!! This is
the biggest my arms have EVER looked!! IT'S FUCKIN' INSANE!! I
literally cannot put on the shirt I was wearing before break... it won't
stretch enough to fit on my arms!!"

Jeff rys!


After 4 to 5 weeks of PGF2A injections, Jeff reported the following to
me. " I'm doing 8 shots a day at .5cc. Left Biceps, Right Biceps would
equal one full cc. I am fed up with the numerous injections, and if I
can overcome being fed up with the needle, I will inject more. As for
the results, ½ on arms when flexed. I did shoulders as well, and they are
thicker. I did some injecting in the abs, by pulling the skin up, and
injecting. The site turned red, in a spot of around 3 square inches. I
am now injecting into the muscle of the abs, but this is dangerous
because you may pass through and hit an organ. I only inject abs once a
week, and the site gets thick, as if a vein is iriated. It is not a vein,
but it feels like it. I have dropped 11 pounds, and everyone says how
good I look…. I tried lower back, and chest as well, not much results,
but I think it works best if you inject in the same spot a lot more. I
feel it's a good alternative to steroids…But, I don't know how safe i!
t is."


PGF2A and weak bodyparts.


The cardinal rule of PGF2A is to inject as far away as possible from
the intestines, PGF2A induces a very strong contraction of the intestine
and the bladder (both smooth muscles). Bodybuilders found the best
injection site was the front shoulder. But by repeating injections
frequently in the shoulders, bodybuilders soon ended up with grossly
overdeveloped front delt's. They looked like walking monkeys. The rest of their
body was growing too, but not as fast as the muscles closest to the
Injections site. What this means is that PGF2A is ideal for developing a
lagging muscle, just inject PGF2A locally and watch! The muscle grows.
And, the increased in size is real muscle growth and not artificial
swelling like Synthol or Esiclene would induce. The calves are another
obvious muscle of choice. In fact, even if your calves have failed to grow
no matter how much you have trained them, PGF2A will Solve your problem.
After a single cycle of PGF2A, unresponsive calves start to respond!
, even if they never did before! The localized growth induced by PGF2A
may appear magical, but there is a Simple explanation. The Life Cycle
of the injected PGF2A is terribly short (minutes). In minutes, most of
it will be destroyed by the lungs.If you hit your right calf for
example, the muscle is exposed to a Maximum Concentration of PGF2A. As the
prostaglandin dissipates and passes into the Blood, it quickly reaches the
lungs where most of it is destroyed. What is remaining Is dispersed
evenly though the entire body. This limited dispersed means that other
muscles away from the injection site will be Exposed to far less of the
Anabolic effects of PGF2A. So unless you only want to make a weak body
pant grow, you Should rotate the Sites of injections frequently. Let us
continue with other personal experiences!


Efigy!


Okay, here's my info: 1/2 cc in both body parts (1cc total)at a time.
biceps morning, triceps noon, delt's night. this is my third day. about
5 min. after injection stinging in bodypart. about 10 min. after
injection coughing and "weird feeling" in my lungs, numb lips, intense waves
of pain in the body part injected. about 20-30 min. after injection
slight to moderate urge to shit, not that bad though, no running to
bathroom. One and ½ to two hours after injection all bad sides are gone.
pleasant pump/pain in bodypart. I am noticing a big difference already! Oh
yea! I almost forgot, major chills and feeling VERY cold about 10 min.
after and lasts about 30 min.


BIGDAWG!


What's up guys.. as we speak, I'm on my first dose of PGF2A. It was a
little fucked up how it happened so I will just explain from the
beginning. I decided to try the DMSO method first. I guess I am just curious
like that. I put 1/4 of a cc on each gauze pad and some DMSO gel. I had
my wife tape the shit to my shoulders and I waited. It got warm, and I
was light- headed as well. I felt weird once it was absorbing and the
DMSO gets warm! I'm not sure if its that or the PGF2A, but whatever. I
did 1/4 of a cc because I just wanted to test it out a little. Well,
after having it on there for like 30 minutes, I said fuck it, loaded
another one up with 1/4 cc, and put them on my bicep's. Therefore, as I am
typing this I have the pads on both areas and I am heating up rather
warm. From what my boy tells me, the gel takes a little while to absorb,
so I am giving it some time. I will say, my biceps's feel much-pumped
right now. Kinda cool. He also told me, what he noticed was with the D!
MSO, its like a more "all around" growth, where as with the pin, its
like a peak growth. Not all around means the whole body. It means the
whole muscle you put it on. He explained to me how the vessel's work, this
dudes like a medical student, so I trust him. Fuck I gotta shit. Hang
on! Ok I am back. Goddamn did not even see that one coming! Ok I just
took off the deltoid pads; it has been almost an hour now. Well it looks
like a big ass rash on my deltoids now. In addition, its WARM. The
biceps's are still kicking full force now. I think the dose is the thing
that determines the whole shit your pants thing and all just hope I get
some results. My biceps are pumped! In addition, my veins are coming out
like crazy from my BI's on down. Well, I am gonna go for now. Next time
I will try the inject. Fuck, I can't wait for that shit! Okay, after
reading over the Ranger's e-mail to me a couple of times I said fuck it
and got up the balls to do it. I don't know why, but I was like, R!
EALLY thinking it was going to be BAD. So after some prepping and all I
had my wife stick my delts. when she injected, I didn't feel
shit..nothing. in fact, I almost thought my shit was bunk..lol then I got light
headed..like a paint high. then I felt a little soreness in the sites. I
was waiting for the other sides and I got a couple cramps in the
stomach and that was about it. now please keep in mind, I get explosive shits
all the time.. I think my body was laughing at the PGF2A, McDonalds is
worse. hehe As time went on ,I began to get more sore.. like I had did
a BIG set of laterals I guess. Once the soreness starts, the short
breath came. not too bad though.. I only felt it when I TRIED to breathe in
hard. after that all sets in, nothing else happened.. I coughed a few
times but that's it. If this is what's its like ,then I shouldn't have a
problem with this. Not for the results, it's supposed to give. Ranger's
right on this one.. after everything I read, I was waiting for!
it to be PURE HELL, but this is not the case. I will now retract my
statement about the taking a shit part. I had a FULL stomach on my last
inject, in fact I had just eaten a mcflurry well, at first I got a
little rumble down there so I grabbed my favorite car audio magazine and
went to town. the rumble was followed by some NASTY unloading, lets just
say I made a swamp. fuck it though, I felt lean as a mofo once it was
over! the burning/pain part isn't shit, on the delts at least, I'm sure
the BI's would be worse but I'm not worried about it. I guess I was
thinking it would be like REAL bad,but its not. as for injecting, I've sort
of came up with my own little schedule. I figure this week I want to
hit triceps and shoulders. so one-day ill do my tri's twice and shoulders
once, then the next day ill change that around. this way they are
getting hit twice one day and once the next day. I can't think of another
way to do it without injecting like way more. The injects aren't bad!
at all, I could stand it like 5 times a day, but I don't have the time
to take that many 45 min shits. Ranger, man my fucking lips get numb
now! LOL the good thing is, I'm getting used to the sides now, and they
don't bother me. it did bother me last night when my wife hit a nerve in
my tricep. here is a list of my experience so far.. 1. the inject, no
pain unless she hits the nerve.. ouch 2. slight sting on injection spot
3. begin to feel warm.. a little dizzy 4. get small cramps in stomach
5. sites get a little more sore 6. lips numb 7. HUGE SHIT, liquid 8.
everything goes away.. chills sometimes. that's it.. it all lasts about
20-30 minutes for me and I'm done. I do this shit on my lunch break now.
once one side hits, another goes away. PGF2A is not painful, it's
fucking annoying. it sucks to have to feel that way three times a day,
that's why it sucks.
Ranger


Well, I guess you could say I was a little more experimental in my use
with PGF2A. I wanted to see how far I could take it, and what happened,
and what I could do to minimize the side effects without hindering the
growth process……Well, I don't have all the answers to this one. I do
know it takes dedication, as Val has showed us, and you will have to
endure some pretty nasty sides from time to time….bottom line!!! The choice
is yours, and yours alone!! I started out at 2.5mg's per bicep twice a
day from the start. I experienced all of the aforementioned
sides….Breathing, numb lips, diarrhea, hypoglycemia, muscle pain….the list goes
on. However, in 2 weeks my arms grew ½ inches…doesn't sound like much?
It's permanent 85growth…that's good! I did get pretty cocky at the end of
the 2nd week and decided to inject calves…I injected 1cc per muscle,
per leg, for a total of 4cc's or 20mg's. My GOD was the pain intense!! I
couldn't walk for 30 minutes, Breathing was labored, lips complet!
ely numb, mucous in my throat, and when the diarrhea came, I had to
crawl to the bathroom. I was laughing and wanting to cry at the same time,
but I made it(barely)! I will say this now…UP THE DOSAGE SLOWLY!!! How
much? I cannot give you the answers to that, everyone will be
different. BIGDAWG'S side effects are no where near that of Val', Jeff, and
mine. However, take it slowly! I decided to try a very strict diet to see
the effects…I only had 100 grams of Carbohydrates per day, all before
lunch…low fat. The third day into this diet I was getting added side
effects….light headed, headaches, cold chills, shaky. I checked my blood
sugar levels the fourth day after my morning injection….49mg/dl. Yup,
Hypoglycemia(low blood sugar). I quickly drank some orange juice, protein
shake, and ate some Gram Crackers…the sides quickly subsided. I even
made a Doctor's Appt. to have this checked further…everything came out
fine…nothing! Here's what I found to work best for me…around 1 hour b!
efore injection, have a bowl of oatmeal, and a small protein shake.
After your injection, and the sides(diarrhea) have subsided, eat 3 tablets
of Glucose(chewable orange flavored…yummy!), and have a large protein
shake. You can buy these over the counter and is a great sugar free Carb
Booster!! This worked great for me!! I found out, and all who are using
this will agree…I have become leaner than I ever have!! As my body fat
dropped, my arms and calves continued to grow, as did the rest of my
body. Only at a slower pace. INJECTIONS SUCK!! You wanna grow?? Get used
to the idea!! I use 28 or 29-gauge 1 inch Insulin pins. Works great
Bro's! After three weeks, and all will once again agree, you will get
needle phobia…heh heh heh…! That's where we come to the next section….PGF2A
and DMSO!! These are some do's and don'ts I think is important: 1. Do
up the dosage slowly! 2. Do take your time injecting! 3. Do have access
to a restroom! 4. Do make sure the injection site is clean! 1. D!
on't inject into the ab's, lower back, forearms, and trap's(personal
experience on this one)! I know Jeff rys is doing this with no lasting
side effects, but I feel it is unsafe at best! 2. Don't get PGF2A near
your wife or girlfriend! It can be absorbed through the skin, and will
cause cramps, bleeding…etc. In women…Never get it near a woman that is
pregnant! 3. Don't use this blindly…do all available research…then
decide! I will in the coming weeks try another little experiment of my own. I
will mix the PGF2A with DMSO and Yohimbe for spot fat reduction, and
hopefully, localized growth! If anyone has tried this, or heard of anyone
who has. Please post the information, and results…Thanks!!


PGF2A and DMSO


Prompted by BIGDAWG'S experiment, and my sudden lack of interest in
injections !! I decided to conduct a few experiments of my own with DMSO
and PGF2A…My conclusion…Injections work better, but DMSO is a welcome
break!! I would spread DMSO on a 4 inch by 4-inch gauze pad, squirt ½ cc
per pad, and then tape it to my Pectorals. I left it there for
approximately 30 minutes. Sides were minimal at best…Somewhat heavy breathing,
light headed, site becomes very warm, and once you pull the gauze off,
you may see a slight rash(it will leave quickly). The site becomes
rather pumped, and in the case of my Biceps, I noticed an increase in
Vascularity. Now, once I pulled the gauze off my chest. I went straight to
the gym. I worked my chest in a normal fashion. I became much more
pumped!! I could even tell in the mirror. I did three sets of cable
crossovers…MY GOD…It was Intense…veins everywhere!! For the next two days, my
chest was crushed!! It felt good to be that sore again. Tried it agai!
n the same way the next week, no where near the same pump, or after
effects!! For Biceps, I upped the dosage to 1 cc per pad, per Bicep. I
achieved a good pump, and increased Vascularity. I feel you have to up the
dosage a lot quicker with the DMSO method to achieve max results.
Nevertheless, that is only my opinion…if anyone else has tried this method
in more depth, please post the time and results!! Remember this report,
is mostly based on personal experience. Remember, not much is known
about PGF2A, so take it slow. I had a GTT test done..all results were
negative. I have been on for 5 weeks now. I hope this has answered many
your questions, but it doesn't answer them all!! You have to decide
Brother's…Is PGF2A for me?? Maybe yes, maybe no!! But, it is for Ole
Ranger!!! Cause, It's All Good!! Many thanks to all those who have ventured
into the unknown with this new drug, and have shared the experience!!

Uuugggghhh...Okay, I take back some of what I said about sub Q injects. I shot 0.5cc sub Q on each side of my lower abdomen. It hurt, I felt like shit for a while and shat my brains out for a while. It was much more mild shooting it on each side of the lower back sub Q. I'll try sub Q in the chest then IM in chest soon.

Nathan where are the new posts? I am thinking about trying pgf2a and I am reading your results...come on man! give me some info! lol Thanks bro!

I am not looking for a source but how readily availibe is this stuff overseas? Is it illeagel in the US or is it kind of like kynoselen, as far as regulation?
Thanks

I am still waiting to update everyone. Sometimes I feel like it's working really well, but sometimes I don't feel like it's doing shit. Could be some swelling that is throwing my judgement off I dunno.
I will say this, if you are going to do it, forget about going sub Q only. It hurts like a bastard just like IM and if you go in the ab region the shits can be nasty. I've gone up to 0.7cc in each delt at the same time and it hurt. I will try higher eventually but that dose is pretty high as it is as near as I can figure. I'm at about 0.6cc a side now and it hurts more than enough. I'm also playing around with my timing. I'm now gonna try injecting 30 minutes after a carb-rich meal. This means I'm shooting at work which sucks when you shoot your bi's with 0.65cc each and then go talk to your boss, especially when you're talkign about astrophysics. This way it seems at least I don't get too much in the way of hypoglycemic symptoms. I still don't know. I DO know that my weight is down about 3 lbs. and that my waist is down almost an inch when I measure it, but most of that was in the first five day - granted I'm at the start of day 9 but we'll see. I've cut calories a bit as well to see what that does. I also added 12.5mcg T3 daily and clen today. T3 won't do much at that dose but will help a bit. I don't want to diet too hard since I don't want to lose any more muscle - I feel like I;ve lost more than enough already from coming off. I will update you once I have a clearer picture of how well it worked.