How long between cycles?

**hitmeoff** · 06-01-2002, 05:39 PM

Hey guys,

How long do you usually wait in between your cycles, in particualar, in between your bulking and cutting cycles?

For example, Im planning a lean bulking cycle that will run Test and Deca for 10 weeks, Dbol the first 5 weeks, Winny weeks 7-12, clomid therapy for about 4 weeks (13-16), and arimidex for the entire 16 weeks.

I eventually wanna cut, and plan to do a cycle with Eq running for 10-12 weeks, winny running at the end for about 5-6 weeks and maybe anavar in the beginning as well. I will also be using Clen and T3 (alternating 3 week cycles of each).

How long should the wait between the 2 cycles be? Any thoughts?

**broncojosh** · 06-01-2002, 05:41 PM

time on = time off

**John Hubbard** · 06-01-2002, 05:53 PM

You might wanna try a 16 wk split cycle: 1st 8 wks bulking and 2nd 8 weeks cutting. It works good for me. But if you do take time off between cycles then Broncojosh is right.

**neo1605** · 06-01-2002, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by broncojosh
time on = time off

Exactly!

***the original jason*** · 06-01-2002, 11:49 PM

personally I think going from bulkking to cutting is not a good idea to much potential to lose all the new muscle if u cut ur calories to soon. I have tried this and lost almost everything bar 5lb from 22lb I gained. You should wait time on=time off and then start to cut keep ur calories high in the time off then start the diet this will give new muscle time to settle and natural production a chance to restart. In the time post cycle when u r doing clomid and trying to hold on to muscle then dieting is not a great idea cos no calories to feed the muscle and alot of cortisol loose in the system so you could easily just lose it all

peace

**Ajax** · 06-02-2002, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by hitmeoff
I will also be using Clen and T3 (alternating 3 week cycles of each).

How long should the wait between the 2 cycles be? Any thoughts?

Why not run the Clen with the T3? I got excellent results running them together--burned fat like you wouldn't believe!

Like they sez: time on = tim eoff, so I would wait at least 12 weeks...

**hitmeoff** · 06-02-2002, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Ajax

Why not run the Clen with the T3? I got excellent results running them together--burned fat like you wouldn't believe!

See Im not looking to cut down to like 6 or 7%, then bulk back up to something like 15% or nothing. Im more like trying to add lean muscle mass, keep it...loose fat....keep the fat off....gain some mass...loose some fat etc. Basically I just want to stay at 10% or so all year round. And from what ive heard, the rebound effect on T3 is horrible. You basically regain fat as fast as you lost it. So id rather loose the fat a lil slower, and instead of finishing my cycle on T3, end it on Clen, that way I can keep my metabolism going, istead of having t crash all of a sudden.

**hitmeoff** · 06-02-2002, 01:17 AM

Ok so whats the deal behind Time On = Time off. I mean why is that set in stone? Certainly the type of cycle that you do and the type of cycle you plan on doing has alot to dowith how long you stay off. Is it a health thing?

See I can see why taking time off from 17aa makes sense, gives your liver some time to return to normal. And I can understand why taking time off between like steroids (as in time in between test and test) would make sense (actually I dont know why this would be neccessarily so either, but just the fact they are the same would make sense). So in that sense i could see why id need 5 weeks off (or would it be 10? 12? 16?) after my last winny to start another winny cycle. But the main part of my cutting cycle would be EQ which was not on my previous cycle.

Also what would be considered the end my cycle? Week 10 when I take my last shot of Test and Deca ? Week 12 when I take my last winny? Or week 16 when I take my last Clomid?

See this is the confusing part. If I was on winny only five weeks (7-12), why would I wait anymore that 10 weeks (length of Test and Deca cycle) to start another cycle feturing winny (for simpliocities sake lets say id only run winny and not eq)?

Im sure Time on = Time off is a good philosophy, but Im not quite sure its something thats set in stone, if for nothing else the vaguness of when the actual cycle ends, and how shorter rests, between different steroids affects the system.

What do you guys think?