Super Clen

[ECKO 747]

I've never tried Clen , and I can get some of **'s each tab is 0.2mg clen + 5mg ketotifen ...

Now here is the Question : How many tabs should I take per week + how many weeks should I go on... Thanks for the help guys...

[ECKO 747]

C'mon Guys I really need advice on this

[ECKO 747]

bump

[Dbolaholic]

bump, wondering exact same thing.

[EXCESS]

It depends on what you want it for. Most people won't use it for cutting because the keto increases hunger. Also, most people can't seem to handle the keto even at low doses, which means they can't get enough clen to burn fat. Its mostly used to help keep gains after a bulking cycle.

[RON]

EXCESS is right on the money. In addition to the hunger it make you lazy and that for sure doesn't help fat loss. However he also carries regular clen . I would go with that or find someone else.

[ECKO 747]

EXCESS & RON thank U guys so much for the info.... For a while there I though this would be another one of those dead threads.... But U guys are amazing... U guys always seem to know and be in the know... I'm just happy to be on a board with as much informative and well versed indviduals like U guys....... Thanks again guys

[EXCESS]

No problem bro!

[saint808]

sorry i didn;t see this til noiw... but Inferior Products himelf said that it was for bulking and not cutting... and after taking it... you will eat a ton and you will sleep like never before LOL.

[Pete235]

Word, keto kicks the shit outta me! The liqua clen I'm using has ketotifen in it and I have to take it in the evening because it makes me so drowsy.

[the original jason]

well i idid .5cc liqaclen today this morning and im a week in it barely touched me, didnt feel sleepy hungry or anything to much just a little shakey.

peace

[Pete235]

I'm taking 1ml at a time....no shakes, heart races a little, sleepy as hell, and sometimes (not always) I sweat like mad and soak my pillow.

[the original jason]

any reason to take it? lol I have to ask myself this

??

[Pete235]

Cause I'm fat!!

[the original jason]

so am i lol dont think it does much though in fact im thinking lately the whole thing is just a myth even eca, I mean you take them and diet right and do cardio I think without them you would have maybe less energy or motivation but you would still lose the same fat if you did the same routine just my thoughts

peace

[Pete235]

I tend to agree OJ. I've had fat loss sucess in the past without the benefit of clen or ECA's. But then again, you can't beat the price of the liqua-clen

[the original jason]

yeah F*** good eh

[ROCA]

Another option might be to go on a ECA stack + Biotest's T2.....
I heard a lot of good things about the Biotest T2, couple of my buddies tried it and they said it did the trick...
+ Like Jason said, I'm begining to think that clen might be a little over rated...

[sp33dg33k]

i'm using the ** super clens now. i take em before bed but the keto really kicks my ass right up to about 10:00AM the next morning (tired and shit).

started with a quarter tab and am up to half a tab now. i am also using the bulgarian clen during the day and i would have to say that hands down the bulgarian shit kicks the snaut outta the supers. jmo though.

[Anabolism]

Clenbuterol handbook
CLENBUTERAL FAQ: EVERYTHING YOU
NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT CLENBUTEROL
by BigAndy69

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic /anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids : Clenbuterol has mild steroid -like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day

[ECKO 747]

I'm thinking of just taking superclen during my cycle and then some normal clen rite after..... This is cause everytime I'm on AR I notice that have major Problems getting to sleep... basicly when I'm on AR, I find that I get around 6 hours sleep tops!!!!!!!! So hopefully the Superclen should help out with this lil' problem

[VaDeR_1138]

Originally posted by Pete235
Cause I'm fat!!

Thanks a lot for your great advise these last few days It has really meant a lot. Since "surfing" these forums I have heard of something called DNP . What are your thoughts? Since you know my story, could this work for me? And If so can I still take the clen (w/ ECA on off weeks),and T-3 like I had planned or would the DNP be enough? Thank you in advance for your comments. Your awesome bro! VaDeR_1138