As And Strength Gains?????

**bizznach** · 06-11-2002, 08:15 PM

I WAS WONDERING WHAT AS'S HELPED U GET STRONGER(I KNOW THEY ALL HELP STRENGHT) AND KEEP THE STRENGHT WHEN U COME OFF. IS THE STRENGTH MOSTLY FROM THE MUSCLE GAIN OR THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE ACTIVE WHILE UR ON? AND I KNOW IT DEPENDS WHITCH ONES UR ON. DO U THINK IT IS HARDER TO KEEP THE SIZE GAINS OR THE STRENGTH GAINS OR DO THEY GO HAND AND HAND? I THINK IT WOULD REALY PISS ME OFF IF AFTER MY CYCLE I LOST ALL MY STRENGHT GAINS. THANX BIZZ.

**Medicine Man** · 06-11-2002, 09:14 PM

research will tell you this... most often the "strength" comes in because of increased body mass (especially water retention). so dbol for example (which normally comes with large increased in water retention) helps to give the user lots of strength. This allows for increased muscle size because you can push heavier weight. Dude i could go on forever, do some research... and you are NOT going to keep everything you gain. Know that now so you dont get "depressed" post cycle like many do.
Late
MM

**bizznach** · 06-12-2002, 11:32 AM

ur answer doesnt add up i know its not just because of water retention and there were questions in that are not very easly researched because most people care more about the size gains. read slowly i said "I DONT WANT TO LOSE ALL OF MY STRENGHT GAINS'. so dont act like im some dumb ass asking if u never lose ne gains when u come off. all i want is an answer from peoples experiences w/ the best as's for keeping "strenght" after they came off. thank you

**Methuselah** · 06-12-2002, 11:50 AM

Halotestin .

**bizznach** · 06-12-2002, 11:54 AM

did u use halo?if so how permanant were ur strenght gains when u came off??

G-S · 06-12-2002, 09:45 PM

Fina, from what I hear. I'll let ya know in another 8 weeks.

**D3m3nt3d** · 06-13-2002, 07:22 AM

i had a hard time reading that myself, but i would say first off we need some stats on you before we can say what we think would be best=\

**neverenuff** · 06-13-2002, 07:26 AM

My biggest strength gains came from winstrol /eq/anavar cycle I was maxing out on flat bench at 465....Serious strength gain

**bizznach** · 06-13-2002, 01:05 PM

thanx for the responses keep em commin

**bizznach** · 06-13-2002, 01:15 PM

sorey for the hard to understand q's, the stats are in the profile but ill list them ne way
6'0
197
8-9 %bf
bench around 300 dont max for 1 rep cuz of my shoulders but 275*3
squat around 400
dead lift 405*5
im a football player so size and strength are most important for me.thanx

**SUPERDAVE** · 06-13-2002, 02:30 PM

here's a strength cycle for you:

fina 75mg ed weeks 1-6
eq 400mg wk weeks 1-12
anavar 40mged weeks 1-13
winny 50mged weeks 6-13

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
STRENGTHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

**big_guy** · 06-13-2002, 02:37 PM

nice cycle SDave, but looking at his profile, u'll see he is a student.. and the cycle u listed is HELLA-EXPENSIVE...

i say do everything SuperDave listed but exchange the anavar for Test Enanthate at 400mgs per week.

don't forget your anti-e's and clomid.

peace, BG

**tt333** · 06-13-2002, 03:37 PM

I keep my size but i lose little strength even when i use clomid. But my gains dont go that far down when im on clomid.

**SUPERDAVE** · 06-13-2002, 06:07 PM

Thanks big guy, I actually know biznach, we work out together. Were both broke as hell. We roll change to acquire our "goods"
That cycle is something i plan to do when i get the dough.