Wow, just found this info about fina and the kits concerning Glues/binders

[J-Dogg]

Pretty good info;

"What's in Fina Anyway? Q: I saw in one of your posts to a message board somewhere that your version of "Magic Dissolving Liquid" in your Fina kit only contains benzyl alcohol with a smidgen of benzyl benzoate. The other person selling Fina kits says that your kit won't remove all the glue and talc from the pellets. I don't want to inject glue or talc and I bet nobody else does either, so why can't you make a kit that removes these things? A: The idea that Finaplix (or Component TH) pellets contain talc and/or glue used to "hold the pellets together" was started by the late Dan Duchaine. Dan didn't possess any real knowledge about pharmaceutical compounding so he guessed that something was needed to hold the pellets together and that "something" was talc and glue. He never defined exactly what "glue" was either. I mean, are we talking about the remains of Mr. Ed here or are we talking about Krazy Glue? These ideas, despite being erroneous, soon spread like gospel in the underground world. However, it's untrue, a total fabrication, and utter bullshit because Finaplix and Component TH contain neither talc nor liquefied Mr. Ed residue! Both of these types of anabolic pellets contain yellow dye #5, methyl-cellulose (MC) and trenbolone acetate. That's all, folks! The pellets are compressed under extreme pressure (as are most pellets and tablets) and no "glue" is used, other than the extreme pressure. None of the kits on the market remove the yellow dye and one could argue that the other guy's kit does remove the MC and mine does not (MC is what causes the "gooey residue" in the other kit). However, MC is essentially harmless. Don't believe me? MC is used as a surfactant in Testosterone suspension and Winstrol -V. It keeps your stanozolol and Testosterone from clumping up and sticking to the insides of the bottle. Now I know someone is going to start an argument with me here and post all over the place that I'm wrong and that I'm only saying the pellets don't contain talc or glue because my kit sucks and won't remove that stuff. So, here's the telephone number for the company that makes one of the pellets: 800-247-4838 and you can call between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. EST and verify my claim if you like. Well I called and thats exactly what they said is in it."

[Buddha_Red]

Ive heard that also.

thank you for writing it up, you can never learn too much about conversion and whats real and unreal

[Padawan]

Good stuff, man!

[popeyethasailah]

it makes sense, and if it is in fact true... a lot of actual tren is lost in the filtration process. there was a post a while back about homemade fina without the kit, and from what i just read in this thread it seems like not only would that way be easier, but it would also be more effective.

[J-Dogg]

I've used the "Home Brew Fina" i started my current cycle with it and then switched to a kit only to switch back to home brew. God I fogot how bad it burned Sus times 10, seriously.

I belive the stuff at the bottom of the vial when using the kit is just the MC, but I'm willing to garantee that their is some Tren in there also though.

So just up the dosage a little, thats what I am doing now and its working pretty good.

Great thing about fina, its cheap enough to up the dosage

[Rubherchicken]

Would it then be possible to take the pellets orally?

[Padawan]

Sure, but I've read that you only get around 10-20% of the tren orally. DSMO is like 75%, although they say you smell like ass.