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    Winstrol as an anti estrogen? Or all DHT's for that matter??

    If masteron is used as an anti estrogen, couldnt all DHT derivatives have the same effect? Why masteron more than others?

    With a DHT, how would you change your anti E dose with a 19 nor in the mix as well?

    What is the long estered masterons ester name?

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    (Drostanolone Propionate )
    [17beta-Hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one propionate]
    Molecular Weight: 360.5356
    Formula: C23H36O3
    Melting Point:N/A
    Manufacturer:Syntex, Various Underground Labs
    Effective Dose (men):350mgs/week (*100mgs Every other day) to 500mgs/week
    Effective Dose (women): 25-50mgs Every other Day to Every Third Day
    Active Life:2-3 days
    Detection time: 3 weeks
    Anabolic /Androgenic Ratio:62:25

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_Vandetta
    (Drostanolone Propionate)
    [17beta-Hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one propionate ]
    Molecular Weight: 360.5356
    Formula: C23H36O3
    Melting Point:N/A
    Manufacturer:Syntex, Various Underground Labs
    Effective Dose (men):350mgs/week (*100mgs Every other day) to 500mgs/week
    Effective Dose (women): 25-50mgs Every other Day to Every Third Day
    Active Life:2-3 days
    Detection time: 3 weeks
    Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:62:25


    That is the short ester, hence "Propionate".

    I am looking for the longer ester.


    Thanks for trying though

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    bro there is no long estor thats why the Active Life:2-3 days

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    here is the link to masterone profile
    http://www.steroid.com/Masteron.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_Vandetta
    bro there is no long estor thats why the Active Life:2-3 days

    There is a long estered version, trust me. Again, thank you for your input.

    The reason the half life is 2-3 days is because of the prop ester not because a long estered version doesnt exist.

    *edit: There is an ester attatched, read above.

    I have been here a while, I know where the profile is and what it says, thanks though.
    Last edited by guest589745; 08-19-2006 at 12:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
    There is a long estered version, trust me. Again, thank you for your input.

    The reason the half life is 2-3 days is because of the prop ester not because a long estered version doesnt exist.

    well didnt know there was a long estor version thats news to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_Vandetta
    well didnt know there was a long estor version thats news to me

    Yup, new to me too til a week ago.

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    i think its Drostanolone Enanthate ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullsmasher


    Ok it's pretty much the same profile where does he say a longer estor >>? i am not doughting this Just that i never heard of the longer estor for mastrone ... which if made would be nice ... I think I will email my boy in the am who Is a PHD chemist and see if this will hold as far as the compound if so well ..... i will have it
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    Quote Originally Posted by V_Vandetta
    Ok it's pretty much the same profile where does he say a longer estor >>? i am not doughting this Just that i never heard of the longer estor for mastrone ... which if made would be nice ... I think I will email my boy in the am who Is a PHD chemist and see if this will hold as far as the compound if so well ..... i will have it

    If you read the page you will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark_newcastle
    i think its Drostanolone Enanthate ??

    I was thinking that is a possibility.

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    "Then, in one of those weird "duh" moments, I realized that gynocomastia, mastectomy, and Masteron all had that similar word root. You’d think that having an English degree would have helped me notice this fact sooner…anyway, I wrote the profile and didn’t think much about it anymore. I was then contacted by the owner of an underground lab, and asked why Masteron was always produced with a propionate ester, and whether it would be ok with a longer ester. This began another long period of research for me into Masteron. Well, I found out that Masteron would be fine with a longer ester, but I actually had a chance to test it out with that particular ester before it hit the market...I was still standing after 3 weeks on it, so it was produced en masse "

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    "I happen to be one of the few people who have used Drostanolone Enanthate (Masteron with the Enanthate ester attached) as well as Methenolone Enanthate (injectable Primobolan ). I can tell you that the results from these two compounds, when ester and mg potency are the same, are in fact very similar."


    http://www.steroid.com/Primobolan.php


    there we go mate

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    AH-HA!

    Thanks!

    Still have other questions though.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
    AH-HA!

    Thanks!

    Still have other questions though.....
    fire away lol

    although i can't promise answers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark_newcastle
    fire away lol

    although i can't promise answers!!

    My initial post in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
    My initial post in this thread.

    With a DHT, how would you change your anti E dose with a 19 nor in the mix as well?


    well it would seem that a low dose adex like .5 ed would be more tha enough even when ran with other compounds Like tren becasue of the masterone

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    Quote Originally Posted by V_Vandetta
    With a DHT, how would you change your anti E dose with a 19 nor in the mix as well?


    well it would seem that a low dose adex like .5 ed would be more tha enough even when ran with other compounds Like tren becasue of the masterone

    Yea you could be right, I wonder if anyone actually has a definate answer though? I mean exactly how much estrogen can masteron (ANy DHT) lock or remove? Probly is OK though .5mg .

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    hmmm im not 100% sure but i THINK because masteron was developed for women to combat breast cancer in the same way anti estrogens were, then it has the same effect with the added advantage of being a DHT derivative to make it ideal for cutting cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark_newcastle
    hmmm im not 100% sure but i THINK because masteron was developed for women to combat breast cancer in the same way anti estrogens were, then it has the same effect with the added advantage of being a DHT derivative to make it ideal for cutting cycles.

    Hmm, yea makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark_newcastle
    hmmm im not 100% sure but i THINK because masteron was developed for women to combat breast cancer in the same way anti estrogens were, then it has the same effect with the added advantage of being a DHT derivative to make it ideal for cutting cycles.

    and the million dollar question is do you really need a anti E with a good dose of masterone with it being a good DHT and blocking estrogen the few times i used masterone it keep me real dry when i ran it with, tren , winny

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    so does this mean, using anti estrogrens isnt necessary while using masteron ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark_newcastle
    so does this mean, using anti estrogrens isnt necessary while using masteron?
    well i would'nt bet the farm but I will put it to the test and try it but in the mean time i will see if i dig up some research on masterone and see what kind of trail studies are out there and see for sure to what degree the masterone Blocks and hinders estrogren and doses

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    ANyone else?

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