1st time cycle , opinions, help etc thoughts ?

**bigguy12** · 10-03-2012, 02:24 PM

hello new to site

26 male 6ft6 115kg
been working out for 2 yrs plus

looking to start my 1st cycle

clenbureral 30mls 30 day cycle 1ml a day

sus 250 10ml x2
10 week cycle 2mls a week

clomid 30 tabs 1 tab a day

any opinions welcome or anything i could change etc be great
thoughts ?

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 02:35 PM

what is your bodyfat?

your pct needs work so look into nolvadex

you also need to use an a.i, have a look at swiftos sticky at top of page for more info

what mg/ml is your clen ? and you cant run clen alone for 4 weeks it will effectively stop working after 2 weeks unless you look into using something to counteract this

**bigguy12** · 10-03-2012, 02:54 PM

hey bud than for the help
i have looked at sticky
clen is 30ml
what ai would you recommend.
so don't use clomid use nolvadex as pct?

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 03:19 PM

clomid and nolvadex is prob one of the strongest protocols you can run for pct

armidex or aromasin for an a.i

the ml of clen means nothing, we need to know how many mg per ml, i could prob guess as most popular r.c. suppliers dose it the same but a couple dose it weaker so you need to give us this info

**bigguy12** · 10-03-2012, 03:45 PM

so both clomid and nolvadex ?
thanks for ai
its 200mcg it would be the same as others.
what should be my dosage then ?

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by bigguy12

so both clomid and nolvadex ?
thanks for ai
its 200mcg it would be the same as others.
what should be my dosage then ?

have a look at the clen guide in educational section, its better that you understand yourself instead of somebody just saying use x or y but you not knowing why you doing it

any questions on it after you have a look then let us know

but provided your clen is legit then i seriously doubt that you will handle 200mcg

**bigguy12** · 10-03-2012, 11:10 PM

hey mate i have read the clen guide thanks for that
I'm just after advice and what dosage to take and what
i know u can't take clen for more then 2 weeks now.
what would you recommend regarding mcg ?

**bigguy12** · 10-04-2012, 01:39 PM

I'm new to this and have read up a lot and researched for some time,
if anyone can help me with formatting a cycle with
sus250, clenbueral would be great

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 01:51 PM

sus 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks, use an a.i from day 1

for the clen start at 20mcg increase by 20mcg until you cant handle the sides but provided it is legit then i wouldnt go above 160mcg, i split the dose am/pm two weeks on/off and supplement 5g taurine to help avoid the dreaded cramps it can cause, the thread i covered should of mentioned this

your diet and cardio will determine your weightloss, what have you planned?

what have you planned for pct?

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 01:55 PM

i just noticed that you plan to run 10 weeks, that is fine but 20ml wont be enough, you wont get 10 1ml injections from a vial, you lose a bit with each pin, resedue stuck in vial and it may not contain exactly 10ml

pick up another vial

**anahny** · 10-04-2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

sus 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks, use an a.i from day 1

for the clen start at 20mcg increase by 20mcg until you cant handle the sides but provided it is legit then i wouldnt go above 160mcg, i split the dose am/pm two weeks on/off and supplement 5g taurine to help avoid the dreaded cramps it can cause, the thread i covered should of mentioned this

your diet and cardio will determine your weightloss, what have you planned?

what have you planned for pct?

This... But why split the dose when it has a half life of around 35hrs...... So I read.

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by anahny

This... But why split the dose when it has a half life of around 35hrs...... So I read.

i find that as the dose increases it helps minimise the sides to split it

**bigguy12** · 10-04-2012, 02:01 PM

sus 250 2x a week 2ml week
clen 20mcg a day raise 20mcg every 2nd day use for 2 weeks on,off then back on
5g taurine daily?
ai-armidex use from day 1
pct- clomid 1x day cap for 30 days and nolvadex which i just put a order in.
how long do i need to run the nolvadex?

**bigguy12** · 10-04-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

i just noticed that you plan to run 10 weeks, that is fine but 20ml wont be enough, you wont get 10 1ml injections from a vial, you lose a bit with each pin, resedue stuck in vial and it may not contain exactly 10ml

pick up another vial

yep no props run it for 12 weeks

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by bigguy12

sus 250 2x a week 2ml week
clen 20mcg a day raise 20mcg every 2nd day use for 2 weeks on,off then back on
5g taurine daily?
ai-armidex use from day 1
pct- clomid 1x day cap for 30 days and nolvadex which i just put a order in
how long do i need to run the nolvadex?

is the clomid 50mg cap yeah?

nolvadex for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20

yes you can continue the clen after 2 weeks if you want

i would start adex at .25mg eod and increase if necessary

pct 18 days after final injection

what macros do you plan for your diet?

cardio?

i would advise 45min fasted am 5 days a week

yes taurine daily when taking clen

are you going to pick up another vial?

**bigguy12** · 10-04-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

is the clomid 50mg cap yeah?

nolvadex for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20

yes you can continue the clen after 2 weeks if you want

i would start adex at .25mg eod and increase if necessary

pct 18 days after final injection

what macros do you plan for your diet?

cardio?

i would advise 45min fasted am 5 days a week

yes taurine daily when taking clen

are you going to pick up another vial?

yep will pick up another sus250, will run it for 12 weeks like you said
can you write me up a table of when i need the pct and everything bit confused now.
ye clomid is 50mg.yes plan on losing some fat and build more muscle.

sus 250 2x a week 2ml week for 12 weeks
clen 20mcg a day raise 20mcg every 2nd day use for 2 weeks on,off then back on
5g taurine daily when using clen
ai-armidex use from day 1 start adex at .25mg eod and increase
pct - clomid 1x day cap for 30 days and nolvadex for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20

sound correct ?

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 03:48 PM

yep that pretty much it, start your pct 18 days after your last injection

40/40/20/20 means week 1-2 is 40mg per day, week 3-4 is 20mg per day

only increase the a.i if you feel it is necessary, excess water retention, itchy/sensitive nipples are two obvious signs that an increase will be necessary

what will your diet look like during this cycle? if it dosnt match your goals then you wont lose any bodyfat and it could actually increase

**bigguy12** · 10-05-2012, 01:05 AM

thanks dan.
will be round 4200 cal daily.
i lift 5 time a week

**bigguy12** · 10-11-2012, 02:51 PM

just need help with this cycle before i start it.
i have received my order of

sus 250 2x a week 2ml week for 12 weeks
clen 20mcg a day raise 20mcg every 2nd day use for 2 weeks on,off then back on

pct - clomid 1x day cap for 30 days and nolvadex for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20

only thing I'm waiting for is armidex for ai, and taurine for clen
just wondering price of ai cos got given a quote is bit high and read its the cheaper ai swell.
also what size needles to i use

if anyone can help me out thanx

**bigguy12** · 10-11-2012, 11:00 PM

????

**DanB** · 10-11-2012, 11:12 PM

I use a 1" 25g to pin most places

Depending on how lean you are then you may need 1 1/4" if you plan to pin glutes

Shop around for the adex, it should be pretty cheap

4200 cals seems very high if your goal is to drop b/f

How did you come up with this figure?

What will you be doing for cardio?

**bigguy12** · 10-11-2012, 11:26 PM

adex is tab form ?
yes goal is to drop b/f
well I'm thinking that was high
what do you think 3600?
cardio is 1 swim every morning and bike run in late arvo

**DanB** · 10-11-2012, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by bigguy12

adex is tab form ?
yes goal is to drop b/f
well I'm thinking that was high
what do you think 3600?

You need to work out your tdee and subtract 500, i cant link on this app but there is a sticky in the nutrition section that will explain how to do this and there is another sticky beside it called "dieting 101 cutting" which will have info on things like food choices and recommended macro split for protein/carb/fat and loads more relevant info, check it out

What are you doing for cardio, you seem to be avoiding that question lol but I hope you understand that you are effectivly wasting your time and money if your goal is to cut yet slacking on the cardio

And yes the adex is a tablet

**bigguy12** · 10-11-2012, 11:57 PM

ok thanks not avoiding the question mate i edited my post.

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 12:02 AM

Haha ok, i thought you were afraid of a little cardio, alot of people around here actually are believe it or not

Will the swim be fasted i.e. empty stomach?

I find fasted cardio to be very effective

**bigguy12** · 10-12-2012, 12:13 AM

lol ha.
ye it will,i have heard that actually.
will 1 nolva be enough for my pct or will i need another batch?
do you recommend any other ai? or stick with adx

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by bigguy12

lol ha.
ye it will,i have heard that actually.
will 1 nolva be enough for my pct or will i need another batch?
do you recommend any other ai? or stick with adx

Depends how much nolva is in your pack, it varys but once you have enough for 2 weeks at 40mg and 2 weeks at 20mg then your fine

Aromasin can be used as your a.i aswell they are 25mg tabs so split in half and you get 12.5mg eod which would be a good place to start, i wouldnt recommend letro though until your more experienced as it is very easy to crash your estrogen with letro if you arent careful

**Sworder** · 10-12-2012, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by aimology

lol ......
clenbureral 30mls 30 day cycle 1ml a day alone made me laugh...
You need to learn to read before posting silly things. Your post is a mess, enjoy the heart attack.

Your spelling and lack of knowledge on how to dose clenbuterol is a mess. How can you suggest that 1ml is too much when you don't even know what the concentration is? Please refrain from being rude to people when they are making their first post. If I were him I would have left this forum and said "**** those a$$holes".

**Sworder** · 10-12-2012, 12:58 AM

DanB I don't mean to come in here late but I was wondering about your experience with clen . How do you think it fares as a fat-burning agent?

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Sworder

DanB I don't mean to come in here late but I was wondering about your experience with clen. How do you think it fares as a fat-burning agent?

For you my friend you can chime in whenever you like lol

I have used clen several times, 2 week on/off format and also with keto for around 8 weeks and also clen/keto/t3 for around 10 weeks

Im not a fan of the 2 week on/off because for me personally I run about 140 - 160mcg to see some nice fatloss but at this dose I get the shakes pretty bad and also a little anxiety, I prefer the clen/keto for longer period and reduced dose of around 100mcg, some nice fatloss with this approach and sides are reduced significantly

Throw some t3 into the clen/keto and you then have a serious tool at your disposal

**bigguy12** · 10-12-2012, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

Depends how much nolva is in your pack, it varys but once you have enough for 2 weeks at 40mg and 2 weeks at 20mg then your fine

Aromasin can be used as your a.i aswell they are 25mg tabs so split in half and you get 12.5mg eod which would be a good place to start, i wouldnt recommend letro though until your more experienced as it is very easy to crash your estrogen with letro if you arent careful

Thanks for that dan
It says 30 caps.

Ye either adx or aromasin
My guy is just chargin way to much for adx,its even more then the sus
I need it so im gona have to get it no matter what.

**bigguy12** · 10-12-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

For you my friend you can chime in whenever you like lol

I have used clen several times, 2 week on/off format and also with keto for around 8 weeks and also clen/keto/t3 for around 10 weeks

Im not a fan of the 2 week on/off because for me personally I run about 140 - 160mcg to see some nice fatloss but at this dose I get the shakes pretty bad and also a little anxiety, I prefer the clen/keto for longer period and reduced dose of around 100mcg, some nice fatloss with this approach and sides are reduced significantly

Throw some t3 into the clen/keto and you then have a serious tool at your disposal

I had a read up on the kato and t3.
Dan would it be bettrt if i run the kato and t3 aswell and run it for ten weeks With the clen

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by bigguy12

I had a read up on the kato and t3.
Dan would it be bettrt if i run the kato and t3 aswell and run it for ten weeks With the clen

No to be honest your trying to run before you can walk, your cycle is pretty much finalised now, dont try complicate it and add more unknowns

And i have to ask, are you drunk? That post seemed like a drunken slur, not knocking you, Im just wondering.......

**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Sworder

Your spelling and lack of knowledge on how to dose clenbuterol is a mess. How can you suggest that 1ml is too much when you don't even know what the concentration is? Please refrain from being rude to people when they are making their first post. If I were him I would have left this forum and said "**** those a$$holes".

If it's their second or third though...all bet's are off right lol

Originally Posted by DanB

No to be honest your trying to run before you can walk, your cycle is pretty much finalised now, dont try complicate it and add more unknowns

And i have to ask, are you drunk? That post seemed like a drunken slur, not knocking you, Im just wondering.......

Takes a true Irishman to recognise drunkiness in text lol

OP...these guys ahve been a great service to you and it would def. be in your best interest to follow their advise...all the best. Good Luck!

**bigguy12** · 10-15-2012, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

No to be honest your trying to run before you can walk, your cycle is pretty much finalised now, dont try complicate it and add more unknowns

And i have to ask, are you drunk? That post seemed like a drunken slur, not knocking you, Im just wondering.......

LOL was multi tasking
Na don't drink bud.