Switching Sust. for cypionate?

**Jimmy_Bravo** · 08-25-2002, 12:13 PM

I was thinking of taking the sust. out of my cycle ( because of the high price ) and switching it with cypionate . My question is, Is cypionate a good replacement for Sust? I plan on stacking this with Deca and d-bol. Also, how much per week of the cypionate should I use? Thanks guys.

Oh ya, I haven't started yet, I'm just trying to do my homework first.

**OGPackin** · 08-25-2002, 12:32 PM

Hey bro, u'll find some guys like Sust and some guys dont. Test is basiclly test u'll see good results using either. U should run either test 250mgs twice a week for 12 weeks. Run the deca 400mgs for 10 and the dbol 30mgs for 4. If u eat clean and train hard u'll see excellent results.

OG

**Rickson** · 08-25-2002, 01:47 PM

I would prefer cypionate to sus. It is cheaper and it is only one ester to worry about so I think it would be a good switch personally.

**Jimmy_Bravo** · 08-26-2002, 04:05 PM

Ya, the reason I was considering the switch is because of the price. Also, I need a little more info on which days to jab. How much Deca do I inject at one time? I'm thinking it should be 200mgs twice a week. So that's 4 injections a week. I need to know on what days to jab. Also, when do I start the D-bol? Do I start my Deca and test right away? When do I start with the Nolva? Would I use the Clomid about 3 weeks after my last test shot? How much Clomid do I use, and for how long?

I know, that's a lot of questions! I'm still doing my homework on this stuff, and want to get it right. I don't want to have to do ANY guess work when dealing with something like this. Thanks for the patience guys.

**inertia** · 08-26-2002, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy_Bravo
I was thinking of taking the sust. out of my cycle ( because of the high price ) and switching it with cypionate . My question is, Is cypionate a good replacement for Sust? I plan on stacking this with Deca and d-bol. Also, how much per week of the cypionate should I use? Thanks guys.

Oh ya, I haven't started yet, I'm just trying to do my homework first.

so is this your first cycle? and how about a few stats!

**Jimmy_Bravo** · 08-26-2002, 04:18 PM

Sure
23 years old
6' tall 210lbs.
Lifting for a little over a year now.

**MBaraso** · 08-26-2002, 04:19 PM

Alright you should try doing a search on these ?'s first but I'm bored as shit so I'll answer em for you.
1st of all Here's what your cycle should look like:
Weeks 1-4 D-bol 35mgs e/d
Weeks 1-10 Cyp 500mgs a week
Weeks 1-10 Deca 400mgs a week.
Inject on Sundays and Thurs. You can mix the Cyp and Deca in the same syringe to lessen the pain from Cyp.
You start everything at once, meaning you pop your d-bols on sunday,and inject the cyp and deca the same day.
Start clomid 3 weeks after your last shot
To be taken as follows: 300mgs your first day, 100mgs for 9 days, then 50mgs for 10 days.
Don't take Nolvedex unless you start getting symptoms of gyno.
Get some ALA or Milkthissle or both and start taking it 10 days before you start your cycle. This will help protect your liver.
Drink lots of water. Eat lots of food.
And do yourself a favor...Read up on the educational threads before you start anything.
Goodluck,

M

**shanedoan2** · 08-26-2002, 04:26 PM

i just started my cycle, enanthate , deca , and d-bol. i am running the d-bol for 4 weeks, at 35 mg/day. i inject on saturday and wednesday, and i mix the test and deca in the same syringe so there is only two injections per week. keep the nolva until you see signs of gyno, and start the clomid 3 weeks after your last deca shot, or 2 weeks after your last test shot, whichever is latest. hope this helps.

**Jimmy_Bravo** · 08-26-2002, 04:27 PM

Thanks alot! That answers alot of questions I've been having. I'll keep looking up info, and asking questions, but I think you've hit almost everything I wanted to know.

**Jimmy_Bravo** · 08-26-2002, 09:19 PM

Okay, how about this? Instead of taking the D-bol 35mgs a day for 4 weeks, I'm thinking of taking it straight for the 10 weeks. I pulled this out of the Layman's Guide to Steroids . Mick says to pyramid the D-bol for the full 10 weeks. So for example:
week 1- 25mgs/day
week 2- 30mgs
week 3- 35mgs
week 4- 45mgs
week 5- 50mgs
week 6- 50mgs
week 7- 45mgs
week 8- 35mgs
week 9- 30mgs
week 10- 25mgs

How does this sound?

**MBaraso** · 08-26-2002, 10:22 PM

Okay, how about this? Instead of taking the D-bol 35mgs a day for 4 weeks, I'm thinking of taking it straight for the 10 weeks.

Do you wanna shit your liver out?
You shouldn't be on d-bol for any longer then 5 weeks.

M

**Jimmy_Bravo** · 08-26-2002, 10:27 PM

Hmmm.... Fair enough. I just read it in a book. The author's supposed to be quite the authority on AS. If I keep hearing that it's dangerous I definetely wont do it that way.

**MBaraso** · 08-26-2002, 10:35 PM

Not that I'm an expert, but sometimes those books are way way off course.
I can't understand why it would tell you to take d-bol like this....
And I'm sure everyone else would agree w/ me.

M

**Jimmy_Bravo** · 08-26-2002, 10:42 PM

Well, the cost of all that D-bol was making me lean towards the 4 week cycle instead of 10 anyway. I think the best thing to do for my first cycle is play it safe and go with the 4 weeks. Later, if I find out more info on D-bol, maybe that the 10 week pyramid is safe, I can take it in another cycle down the road. Thanks MBaraso.

**MBaraso** · 08-26-2002, 10:48 PM

10 weeks on D-bol isn't safe no matter what way you take it bro.
I'm sure you can PM any of the mods or vets and they'll tell you the same thing.
You'll know what I mean after your first cycle....
D-bol is used as a kickstart to your cycle. The gains are fast and you loose them fast.
People stop gaining after 5 weeks from D-bol anyway...

M